From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [Gnus] persistent marks Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2013 20:36:41 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87ob5twen1.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> References: <87eh6r3rwo.fsf@002215fd0050.amnet.co.cr> <87wqkir8en.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87zjpe38y8.fsf@002215fd0050.amnet.co.cr> <87li0xwn41.fsf@002215fd0050.amnet.co.cr> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1384026012 12039 80.91.229.3 (9 Nov 2013 19:40:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 19:40:12 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 09 20:40:19 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VfEOI-0007qS-3S for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2013 20:40:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58105 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VfEOH-00049V-HF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2013 14:40:17 -0500 X-Received: by 10.180.207.71 with SMTP id lu7mr3363047wic.4.1384025827505; Sat, 09 Nov 2013 11:37:07 -0800 (PST) X-FeedAbuse: http://nntpfeed.proxad.net/abuse.pl feeded by 88.191.116.97 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!fs3no3705242wic.1!news-out.google.com!ed8ni11113wic.0!nntp.google.com!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!nntpfeed.proxad.net!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!gegeweb.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 49 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: VVbyYd/iFZoeWNmD9i++cQ.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:dK0bQ3Bbua9+JcjQBex1dB9BAFU= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:202143 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:94414 Archived-At: ernobe writes: > Of course if I knew how to do that I'd probably be > able to change the default keys instead. The problem > with knowing (at least for an independent investigator > like myself) is that there's the Emacs Lisp language > on the one hand, and the Gnus Manual on the other. > But have you tried reading the manual with 'C-h i'? I > don't see how to navigate it without getting lost. If > I only follow the 'Up' 'Next' 'Previous' links at the > top of the page, I can get back to my original > starting point, but if I follow links within the page, > I can't hit a back' link to get back to my original > starting point. So I downloaded the documentation and > turned it into a single .info file, then used 'pinfo' > to read it. Why there isn't a sane way to read it > within Emacs, I don't know. Well, I happen not to like reading documentation the "info" way either (or in general, on the screen), but it is "sane" in its own way once you learn your way around. My piece of advice: instead, go to the Gnus home page, get the manual in PDF format and *print* it. Then read it both as "evening reading" *and* as a reference to lookup things. I should say, though, that Gnus isn't the most easiest thing to configure/extend. Emacs (in general) is easier in my experience. So it takes some time. But, it is worth it, so you just need to keep it up. Learn one new thing every day. In a year, that will make for 365 new things :) Also, don't forget about gnu.emacs.help and gnu.emacs.gnus. > I haven't looked at the Emacs Lisp documentation yet > but suspect it is also not meant to help the > independent researcher. Like college textbooks, these > manuals are meant to be read by people who are under > adult supervision in their researching. Yes, it is the same there. I takes time. Good things happen to people who work hard. -- Emanuel Berg, programmer-for-rent. CV, projects, etc at uXu underground experts united: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573