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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: dancol@dancol.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs as word processor
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:04:14 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ob5gg6m9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1ViToO-0005LE-Sx@fencepost.gnu.org>

Richard Stallman writes:

 > I use TeX to write a manual, and also when I want to send a nicely
 > formatted letter; but I wish I could do the latter WYSIWYG in Emacs.

OK.  But I don't think that's a very big benefit compared to the
amount of work entailed.  It will be much easier (as somebody suggested
already) to produce a variant set of keybindings for LibreOffice that
more closely approximates Emacs bindings.

As for accessing the power of Emacs from your wordprocessor, most
office suites nowadays understand embedded URIs and/or MIME types, and
can bind arbitrary applications to them.  I would think that in many
cases it should be possible to create "emacs:" URIs or an
"application/emacs-lisp" MIME type that could be linked to (with the
effect of using emacsclient to send code to a running Emacs process)
to get various effects.  Ugly, inefficient, and clumsy, but it
probably could be made to work for a lot of use cases.

 > But there are so many people who don't use Emacs or TeX.  They use
 > WYSIWYG word processors only.  I wish we could make Emacs easy for
 > them to use,

Now that is a goal we can all support, I'm sure.  But please take into
consideration that for 99% of the "so many people", "easy to use" is
not just a matter of software UI (including display and layout
features).  It's mostly about file format support, and that support
needs to be very high quality on input, output, and "throughput"[1]
before more than a very few people will use it "in anger".  This is
going to take a huge amount of effort, a large fraction of that
available to the Emacs projects for several years (a decade or so).


Footnotes: 
[1]  Office suites which are capable of reading most formats received,
and outputting new files that are readable when transmitted to others,
nevertheless frequently mangle files received from others in editing.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-11-19  8:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 239+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-17  7:28 Emacs as word processor Richard Stallman
2013-11-17  8:18 ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-18 18:44   ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-18 22:12     ` Rasmus
2013-11-19  6:02       ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-19  8:01         ` joakim
2013-11-19 23:42           ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-20  6:54             ` joakim
2013-11-20 18:01               ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-23  6:07               ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-19 10:57         ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-19 12:20           ` Thorsten Jolitz
2013-11-19 14:35             ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-19 13:28         ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2013-11-20 18:35           ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-26  8:38     ` Tom
2013-11-26 15:58       ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-26 23:08         ` Bastien
2013-11-26 23:26           ` Lennart Borgman
2013-12-15 16:16         ` Steinar Bang
2013-11-17 11:16 ` Daniel Colascione
2013-11-17 13:02   ` Nic Ferrier
2013-11-17 13:55     ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-17 14:15       ` Juergen Fenn
2013-11-17 18:57         ` chad
2013-11-18  4:20   ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-18  5:06     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
     [not found]       ` <"<l6dsng$6h4$1"@ger.gmane.org>
     [not found]         ` <"<87mwl04w3k.fsf"@zigzag.favinet>
     [not found]       ` <l6dsng$6h4$1"@ger.gmane.org>
     [not found]         ` <87mwl04w3k.fsf"@zigzag.favinet>
2013-11-18 18:44       ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-18 19:42         ` Sean Sieger
2013-11-18 19:46           ` Sean Sieger
2013-11-19  6:01           ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-19  7:08             ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-18 20:19         ` Allen S. Rout
2013-11-19  6:02           ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-19  8:46             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-11-19  9:39               ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-19 11:21               ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-19 14:35               ` Allen S. Rout
2013-11-19 15:54                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-11-20 18:35                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-21 15:25                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-11-21 16:18                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-21 21:27                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-21 22:03                         ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-22  0:51                         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-11-22  6:37                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-22 21:06                             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-11-22 15:04                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22 15:26                             ` Davis Herring
2013-11-22 16:06                               ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-22 17:56                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22 19:01                                 ` John Yates
2013-11-22 21:17                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                     ` <CAJnXXoi2biZ0uOAB9s-0Y5=9EujpCV4a=CemR-K+wHeJVSB51A@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                       ` <83a9gvcyq3.fsf@gnu.org>
2013-11-23 15:13                                         ` John Yates
2013-11-23 15:24                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-23 16:43                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-23 17:52                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-23 21:12                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-25 17:51                                             ` John Yates
2013-11-25 18:02                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-25 18:40                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-25 18:54                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-25 18:52                                               ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-26  7:26                                                 ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-22 21:06                             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-11-22 21:38                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22 22:01                                 ` John Yates
2013-11-22 22:56                                   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-11-23  7:55                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22 22:53                                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-11-23  8:22                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-23 13:42                                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-11-24  8:13                                       ` PJ Weisberg
2013-11-24 17:44                                         ` Drew Adams
2013-11-25 20:42                                     ` Allen S. Rout
2013-11-25 21:15                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-25 21:21                                         ` Allen S. Rout
2013-11-25 21:54                                         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found]                     ` <<877gc14vzs.fsf@zigzag.favinet>
     [not found]                       ` <<E1Vjbn0-0005Bd-4Z@fencepost.gnu.org>
2013-11-21 22:12                         ` Drew Adams
2013-11-22  7:34                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22 13:56                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-22 14:48                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22 14:50                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-22 15:39                                 ` Yuri Khan
2013-11-22 16:07                                   ` John Yates
2013-11-23  6:06                                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-23  8:07                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-23 21:12                                         ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-24  4:53                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-24 18:37                                             ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-24 20:21                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-24 20:52                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-24 21:06                                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-11-24 21:10                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-25  2:15                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-25  3:55                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-25  5:20                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-25 17:39                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-26  2:35                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-26  3:58                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-26  7:05                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-26 15:34                                                                   ` John Yates
2013-11-26 16:57                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-26 18:47                                                                       ` John Yates
2013-11-26 15:04                                                               ` Drew Adams
2013-11-26 19:51                                                                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-11-26 20:36                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2013-11-26 19:48                                                               ` Emacs as word processor / Text Properties Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-11-27  2:35                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-27 22:26                                                                 ` T.V. Raman
2013-11-27 23:01                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2013-11-27 23:06                                                                     ` T.V. Raman
2013-11-27 23:48                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2013-11-28  0:50                                                                         ` T.V. Raman
2013-11-28  1:27                                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-28  4:04                                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-28  6:03                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2013-11-28  7:13                                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-28  7:34                                                                                 ` Bastien
2013-11-28  8:53                                                                                   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-29  8:44                                                                           ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-29  8:49                                                                             ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-29  8:52                                                                               ` Bastien
2013-11-29  9:01                                                                                 ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-29  9:05                                                                                   ` Bastien
2013-11-29  9:10                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-29  9:51                                                                               ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-29 11:43                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-29 13:42                                                                                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-29 14:25                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-29 16:47                                                                                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-29 19:38                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-29 14:18                                                                                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-29 15:22                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-29 10:06                                                                             ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-29  6:50                                                                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-30  1:09                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-12-02 20:04                                                               ` Emacs as word processor Hendrik Boom
2013-11-25  3:06                                                   ` Yuri Khan
2013-11-26  0:04                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-22 17:58                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-23  0:00                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-23  6:06                               ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-23  6:05                             ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-23  6:05                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-12-15 16:39                     ` Steinar Bang
2013-12-16 17:19                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-12-16 18:02                         ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-16 18:38                         ` Allen S. Rout
2013-12-17 10:52                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-12-17 11:39                             ` Steinar Bang
2013-12-16 19:10                         ` Steinar Bang
2013-12-17 10:52                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-12-16 20:37                         ` Juan M. Gonzalez
2013-12-17 10:53                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-12-17 11:41                             ` Steinar Bang
2013-12-17 11:48                             ` Achim Gratz
2013-12-17 12:22                               ` Steinar Bang
2013-12-17 21:06                               ` Richard Stallman
2013-12-19  7:28                                 ` Bastien
2013-12-19 18:23                                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-12-19 18:45                                     ` Bastien
2013-12-19 23:24                                   ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-11-20 18:35                 ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-21  6:02                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-21 14:34                     ` Allen S. Rout
2013-11-21 21:16                       ` Tom
2013-11-22  6:54                         ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-22  7:22                           ` Ivan Andrus
2013-11-22 13:26                       ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2013-11-22  6:54                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-20 18:35               ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-20 18:53                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-21  8:00                   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-21 16:21                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-21 18:34                       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-21 19:06                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22  7:28                           ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-21  9:15                   ` Bastien
2013-11-21  9:22                     ` Bastien
2013-11-21 16:26                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-21 17:43                       ` Bastien
2013-11-22 10:18                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22 20:44                         ` Thorsten Jolitz
2013-11-22  6:54                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-22  7:48                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22  7:52                         ` Bastien
2013-11-22 11:36                       ` Rasmus
2013-11-19  8:04         ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2013-11-19 23:42           ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-19  9:02         ` Christoph
2013-11-19 19:22           ` chad
2013-11-20 18:35             ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-18 13:59     ` Rasmus
2013-11-17 15:27 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-18 17:26 ` Christopher Allan Webber
2013-11-18 17:31   ` Tom Tromey
2013-11-19  9:20     ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-19  6:01   ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-19  7:44     ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-19 13:32     ` Jay Belanger
2013-11-19 15:16     ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-20  1:50     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-11-20 18:35       ` Richard Stallman
2013-12-15 17:28     ` Steinar Bang
2013-12-15 18:18       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-16  0:17         ` T.V. Raman
2013-12-16 10:20           ` Juan M. Gonzalez
2013-11-19  6:14   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-22 16:19 ` Karl Voit
2013-11-22 18:18   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-24 11:11     ` Emacs will never be a WYSIWYG-editor and should not try to (was: Emacs as word processor) Karl Voit
2013-11-24 15:01       ` Emacs will never be a WYSIWYG-editor and should not try to Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-11-24 16:53       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-24 17:27         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-11-25 12:24         ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-26  7:01           ` Bastien
2013-11-26  9:10             ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-26  9:15               ` Bastien
2013-11-26  9:34                 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-26  9:34                   ` Bastien
2013-11-26 15:58               ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-26 18:28                 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-26 21:45                   ` Achim Gratz
2013-11-27  7:44                     ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-26 15:58             ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-26 21:33               ` Achim Gratz
2013-11-24 18:36       ` Emacs will never be a WYSIWYG-editor and should not try to (was: Emacs as word processor) Richard Stallman
2013-11-23  6:06   ` Emacs as word processor Richard Stallman
2013-12-02 19:30 ` Hendrik Boom
2013-12-03  6:24   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-12-03  9:54   ` René Kyllingstad
2013-12-03 11:36     ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-03 16:32       ` T.V. Raman
2013-12-03 17:45         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-08 17:08       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-12-13 22:28 ` Juan M. Gonzalez
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2013-11-23 21:03 Anas R.
2013-11-25 12:25 ` Richard Stallman
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