From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Git transition checklist Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 22:49:50 +0100 Message-ID: <87ob3k4ygx.fsf@wanadoo.es> References: <20140108135200.8ECF9380834@snark.thyrsus.com> <1738kywelh.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20140108200216.GB5374@thyrsus.com> <6pr48h52eq.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87y52pg4ov.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <838uupeitt.fsf@gnu.org> <87sisxfu6q.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87txddmmcj.fsf@igel.home> <87lhypfcs4.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <831u0hdrcp.fsf@gnu.org> <87fvoxf0x6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83txddc70n.fsf@gnu.org> <87wqi93pwi.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83mwj5c4zh.fsf@gnu.org> <87sisw52yo.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83lhyodhlz.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1389304225 12477 80.91.229.3 (9 Jan 2014 21:50:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 21:50:25 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 09 22:50:32 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W1NUl-0004Cb-4A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 22:50:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54304 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1NUk-0003Nj-R3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 16:50:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43929) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1NUZ-0003Md-Vz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 16:50:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1NUJ-0002wN-Lb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 16:50:19 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:41718) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1NUJ-0002tw-FW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 16:50:03 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W1NUH-00031W-94 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 22:50:01 +0100 Original-Received: from 222.red-83-41-58.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.41.58.222]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 22:50:01 +0100 Original-Received: from ofv by 222.red-83-41-58.dynamicip.rima-tde.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 22:50:01 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 222.red-83-41-58.dynamicip.rima-tde.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:jvdNNz0qbuO0g7ut33AtdGiDOCg= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167982 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Where is the "great extent" and how is it "invasive"? Because you need >> to remove hacks from the build system and Emacs itself? > > No, because a package should support building both from its source > directory and outside it. Every other project does. Emacs does not really support out-of-source builds. >> Placing build products in the source directory while doing an >> out-of-source build is terrible, so the feature shouldn't exist to begin >> with. > > But I like it. And it's not up to you or the VCS to educate me about > that, Then it is unfair to blame the tool when it does not match your personal, against-the-standard views. > not at my age. Age-related learning disability? Sorry to hear that. Seriously, even if you find an acceptable workflow, supporting a true out-of-source build (and making it the default) is something missing from Emacs. (It looks like something I could do. Loading the .elc files from the build directory is no problem. Adapting the build system... )