From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 03:18:54 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87oardk1kh.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <2815659.zRQ0WWWeRr@descartes> <20141205175810.GD3120@thyrsus.com> <87lhmlncb1.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <20141205193643.GB5067@thyrsus.com> <83egsd3kyi.fsf@gnu.org> <871toapbh9.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83ppbuxgxx.fsf@gnu.org> <83mw6yxeij.fsf@gnu.org> <8761dllwds.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87d27tk4j9.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sigpk3zk.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418091575 12336 80.91.229.3 (9 Dec 2014 02:19:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 02:19:35 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 09 03:19:28 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XyAOe-0001PX-0F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 03:19:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37392 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XyAOd-0002c1-Ib for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:19:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51875) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XyAOU-0002bo-Jm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:19:24 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XyAOL-0005CQ-ON for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:19:18 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:32804) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XyAOL-0005CI-I0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:19:09 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XyAOK-0001H1-Cr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 03:19:08 +0100 Original-Received: from x2f4aa58.dyn.telefonica.de ([2.244.170.88]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 03:19:08 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by x2f4aa58.dyn.telefonica.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 03:19:08 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 36 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: x2f4aa58.dyn.telefonica.de X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:1Dni+1q+ati1BQtwXuR3gkF22q4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179511 Archived-At: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > David Kastrup writes: > >> How does it not scale? Do you think Eli will spend more time and effort >> on your manual entries than you, and when you write twice the amount, >> he'll have to invest more than twice the work? >> >> What does "doesn't scale" mean in this context? > > Well, as incredibly as it sounds, Eli is (presumably) just one person, > while the number of people who are not Eli is a whole lot bigger than > 1. > > So having Eli do all the markup for everybody who is not Eli doesn't > really scale well. So far, it scales perfectly well. Because all of those people for whom Texinfo is the hurdle keeping them from writing documentation find themselves a different reason. Not wanting to overwork Eli is one of the more ridiculous ones since it does not appear that he actually had to spend more than an hour of his life so far putting Texinfo markup into batches of new documentation. > It would be better if everybody could do the markup themselves. Yeah, it's too sad, all of those pages of finished documentation people have lying around that are just missing the Texinfo markup because nobody would want to overwork Eli or anybody else on the list. Get real. Texinfo is not the excuse for not finishing documentation work, it is the excuse for not even starting it. Get rid of Texinfo, and people will find another excuse. -- David Kastrup