From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tassilo Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: defcustom standard value and byte-compilation Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 08:31:28 +0100 Message-ID: <87oanyu0xb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87r3sxukh4.fsf@gnu.org> <8761a8rohr.fsf@gnu.org> <87egovr2xl.fsf@gnu.org> <87vbi66esa.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1426145518 17035 80.91.229.3 (12 Mar 2015 07:31:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 07:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 12 08:31:48 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YVxau-0001kJ-NA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 08:31:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58401 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YVxat-0001OP-VE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 03:31:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51818) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YVxah-0001OI-Ti for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 03:31:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YVxac-00010T-Uq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 03:31:35 -0400 Original-Received: from deliver.uni-koblenz.de ([141.26.64.15]:49054) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YVxac-00010B-OU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 03:31:30 -0400 Original-Received: from thinkpad-t440p (dhcp27.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.71.27]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by deliver.uni-koblenz.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 279411A84E7; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 08:31:29 +0100 (CET) Mail-Followup-To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87vbi66esa.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Thu, 12 Mar 2015 13:05:57 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 141.26.64.15 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:183802 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > > I'd have no problems cutting support for emacs <23 or even <24, but > > cutting support for XEmacs is something which I'd prefer not to do > > without extremely good reasons although that would make life much > > more easy. > > Greatly appreciated! You're welcome. > BTW, at the time I write this, Uwe hasn't responded to what I told him > on xemacs-beta, but I'm pretty sure his problem is that he loads > tex.el (from AUCTeX) in his init file. I'm not sure to which of Uwe's problems you are referring to. He's had tons of them but I think we resolved most if not all of them in the meantime. (Most were configuration issues on his side.) > By default XEmacs loads customizations *after* init[1], so if Uwe used > custom to set those variables, they were empty when the defcustom was > encountered in tex.el. Ah, yes, I think he had also a problem with TeX-style-path having a non-standard value. Maybe this has something to with the above although I think he had that when he used GNU Emacs for testing and insisting not to use one of the documented ways of installing AUCTeX. > > Yes, I know. But having non-prefixed (defvar name) etc just looks > > so damn wrong. > > If these aren't used to communicate with non-AUCTeX applications, just > rename them. (I'm not sure if that is a wisecrack or a serious > suggestion.) You can never know. I think at least reftex makes use of some of them but that's under our control, too. And some of them are exposed to user configurations as well, e.g., entries of `TeX-expand-list' may assume that `file' is bound to the file to be processed. There are probably others, too. Bye, Tassilo