From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 00:40:07 +0200 Message-ID: <87oak0lqrc.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> References: <554C9356.5000204@gmail.com> <20150508125314086261755@bob.proulx.com> <87bnhuc177.fsf@mbork.pl> <55561B9E.4070101@arlsoft.com> <87y4kpfvct.fsf@debian.uxu> <87mvzmv7ef.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> <871tgycjae.fsf@mbork.pl> <9e0032db-1717-4cd0-88bb-bd97219b65df@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435444916 9687 80.91.229.3 (27 Jun 2015 22:41:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 22:41:56 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 28 00:41:47 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8ynB-0007SX-GA for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 00:41:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37491 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8ynA-0001xz-RR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 18:41:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36779) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8yn0-0001xs-AL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 18:41:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8ymw-0006M5-Tc for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 18:41:34 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:38763) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8ymw-0006Km-Mj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 18:41:30 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8yms-0007Da-WC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 00:41:27 +0200 Original-Received: from nl106-137-246.student.uu.se ([130.243.137.246]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 00:41:26 +0200 Original-Received: from embe8573 by nl106-137-246.student.uu.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2015 00:41:26 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: nl106-137-246.student.uu.se Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:XLPnJxmZOx9m7KARL7jmDfZeUmo= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:105235 Archived-At: Rusi writes: > Readability is like beauty -- in the eye of the > beholder. [As my earlier example showed, emacs > regexps can be ghastly] I actually think both keyboard macros and regexps as a method of editing code are bad (both almost as bad, but regexps are still a bit better because they can be read, and the skills you get are usable elsewhere). But both are bad in the sense they solve problems by rearranging code according to patterns which almost turn the code into something graphical! Or to be precise, the methods are not bad but good but my code never looks like that. If there are patterns to the code those should be expressed by other means - not as ASCII art! So I ask again, next time you use this with real technology like Lisp, C, C++, zsh, SQL, even groff, LaTeX, just about anything that I know that would be interesting to see. I have only seen one example so far and there I disagree: I think the Elisp one-liner is the best solution by far. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573