From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Require Emacs >=24.3 for next Org versions? Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:16:55 +0900 Message-ID: <87oai6wtew.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87mvxtdjkn.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1439777848 1740 80.91.229.3 (17 Aug 2015 02:17:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 02:17:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Bastien Guerry Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 17 04:17:20 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZR9zC-0006oy-FB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 04:17:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53939 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZR9zB-0002JI-H6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Aug 2015 22:17:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44636) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZR9yy-0002Gi-NE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Aug 2015 22:17:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZR9yx-0001FH-QS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Aug 2015 22:17:04 -0400 Original-Received: from shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.161]:34194) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZR9yt-0001Ci-S0; Sun, 16 Aug 2015 22:17:00 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA8251C3916; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:16:55 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7F9F111EF83; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:16:55 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87mvxtdjkn.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" ffb5abc8dc4e XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x (barebone) [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 130.158.97.161 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:188827 Archived-At: Bastien Guerry writes: > Is there a way to know if many users will be excluded from the > next Org versions (apart from asking this list)? Probably not. However, I've seen results for two surveys of users of Emacsen at two different corporations (over 200 responses each, I'm not allowed to say what the companies are) in about 2002 and 2006. They showed that the majority of users were using Emacsen over 5 years old in both, and a significant fraction (~5% and ~10%) were using Emacsen over 10 years old. > I'm all for this move, but want to make sure we don't prevent > too many users from using the latest Org. I can say this much about those surveys: those users are (as Achim points out in a post parallel to this one) in environments where they need approval from "corporate IT" to use any distribution, and they probably can't use org from ELPA at work anyway. So those results may not be truly relevant to your decision. Still, you're probably looking at a majority of Emacs users in those environments who would be cut off from even the option of applying to corporate IT for approval of modern org-mode by a decision to require 24.3. Steve