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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com>, Stromeko@nexgo.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add prettify symbols to python-mode
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 18:52:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87oagt84e7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83oagtjemn.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 23 Sep 2015 19:15:44 +0300")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:12:30 +0800
>> From: Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com>
>> Cc: Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de>, Emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>> 
>> > One of the gravest problems I see for the future of Emacs development
>> > is that we slowly but steadily lose old-timers who know a lot about
>> > the Emacs internals and have lots of experience hacking them, whereas
>> > the (welcome) newcomers mostly prefer working on application-level
>> > code in Lisp.  If this tendency continues, we will soon lose the
>> > ability to make deep infrastructure changes, i.e. will be unable to
>> > add new features that need non-trivial changes on the C level.
>> 
>> Yes, this is also what I see.  As a "newcomer" (in comparison with most
>> Emacs hackers on this list, who have been contributing to Emacs for much
>> longer than me, and have a deeper understanding of the system as a
>> whole), some possible causes for this problem are:
>> 
>> * Hacking on the C level is inherently more difficult than the Lisp
>>   (application) level.
>
> I don't see why.  C is not a complicated language, and a large part of
> the Emacs source code never touches its relatively more problematic
> parts, like memory allocation.

C may not be a complicated language but it offers no significant
in-language features for integrating data structures and their
manipulators.  As a consequence, working with Elisp data in C does not
resemble either working with C or with Lisp.

-- 
David Kastrup



  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-23 16:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-20 19:28 [PATCH] Add prettify symbols to python-mode Mark Oteiza
2015-09-20 22:48 ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-09-21  0:53   ` Mark Oteiza
2015-09-21  2:20     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-22  6:55       ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-22 12:44         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-22 14:42           ` Rasmus
2015-09-22 22:02           ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-23  6:22           ` Achim Gratz
2015-09-23  7:13             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-23  8:04               ` David Kastrup
2015-09-23 14:12               ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-09-23 16:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-23 16:52                   ` David Kastrup [this message]
2015-09-23 17:09                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-23 17:58                       ` David Kastrup
2015-09-23 19:24                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-23 19:39                           ` David Kastrup
2015-09-23 19:48                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-23 19:56                               ` David Kastrup
2015-09-23 20:04                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-23 20:10                                   ` David Kastrup
2015-09-23 19:38                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-23 19:46                           ` David Kastrup
2015-09-23 20:15                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-23 21:40                               ` David Kastrup
2015-09-24  1:16                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-09-24  3:57                   ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-09-24 14:31                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-23 19:07               ` Achim Gratz
2015-09-23 19:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-24  8:06               ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-09-24  8:35                 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-24 10:33                   ` Kaushal Modi
2015-09-24 14:32                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-24 13:06                   ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-09-24 14:32                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-28  7:17             ` Dmitry Gutov

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