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Turnbull" , emacs-devel To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 20 13:29:47 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoV6g-0004wv-Nb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 13:29:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44630 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoSiC-0007H3-SP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 04:56:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34940) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoSh4-0006Rd-Hh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 04:54:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoSh3-0004eu-HC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 04:54:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x22b.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]:37247) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoSh3-0004ee-BH; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 04:54:53 -0400 Original-Received: by wicfv8 with SMTP id fv8so17874223wic.0; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 01:54:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IDOYcWLE3goeVlmbSQrDoWyuKjmE8aPUt2s33iuaxRM=; b=pgGVKAEPk5/iVp1DoD7zdV5MwJ/hwAePBaij6DzVYUwUD3C3QA/ieq7IbSIIduj4KO uNsHrtBiJO9Eh0StEgZSlvAvy6v4/ld6dJfQNjyFd58c/BdbE2WUicw8i0jp8jBWiuYw Vg+bXITQCR3LEWs8RG74wet74ZVRTeE4KkfmrNethBUQ/8YFwyCe2DAC9zNvoyfPxduw FHa0I1c8I2UFMgfJWv8YR8/A4GtQav3o+1RjpGqOpIb6coSjiDQBfWhO7SoX3uaWaUCF peSLv6KFRSny/UkrKmEKc2+G7Q86jjXRknepEhednDqHjPvG08e6MD7JlR8nK7UC/t+N lRXQ== X-Received: by 10.180.206.52 with SMTP id ll20mr2875027wic.48.1445331292598; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 01:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from T420.taylan ([2a02:908:c32:4740:221:ccff:fe66:68f0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id he3sm2414616wjc.48.2015.10.20.01.54.51 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 20 Oct 2015 01:54:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87d1w9hql5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Tue, 20 Oct 2015 10:49:42 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:192176 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich "Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1/Kammer") writes: > >> David Kastrup writes: >> >>> taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich "Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1/Kammer") writ= es: >>> >>>> This tells me that this development community (or at least certain >>>> people in it) don't want my contribution for inexplicable reasons, in >>>> particular not technical reasons. I do not see any possible sensible >>>> definition of "the needs of the Emacs Project" that would lead to the >>>> behavior I've seen from certain people here, so I disagree absolutely >>>> that it could possibly be a misunderstanding on my side. >>>> >>>> >>>> Moreover, I've been warned about emacs-devel by multiple people before, >>>> and about a certain member of it in particular, and I did not believe = it >>>> could possibly be this bad. >>> >>> You don't need to speak in riddles. I am quite used to seeing my name >>> explicitly written in such contexts. >> >> This had nothing to do with you. The bug report discussion hopefully >> makes it clear who I'm talking about. Sorry about the misunderstanding, >> really. > > Well, presumably Eli then. If you digged through the Emacs developer > archives of the last 20 years or so, I think you'll easily find about > 3000 mails from Eli amounting to "please don't break the MSDOS port of > Emacs gratuitously" and probably 1000 mails amounting to "please don't > sabotage right-to-left typesetting", many in threads of the "why should > we even care about _that_" variety. > > In the end, Emacs is better in some respects due to at last someone > taking responsibility for caring about minority interests. And since > Emacs serves so many interests, it has become second nature to most > developers when such objections are raised to just try addressing them > like everybody else does. I didn't break anything, explained why I could not support non-POSIX without Eli's help, asked for proper help, drafted a patch where he could have just filled the blanks in documentation to declare the required safety guarantees for non-POSIX systems, but nope...