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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: Random832 <random832@fastmail.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote.
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 20:24:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87oafsxep3.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <22055.54617.848927.986392@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Thu, 22 Oct 2015 03:11:37 +0900")

"Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org> writes:

> Eli Zaretskii writes:
>
>  > Next, I could see why users on a Posix host might want to execute
>  > some commands with a particular non-default shell.  I don't see why
>  > Emacs packages, perhaps with a sole exception of Tramp, would need
>  > that.
>
> Sometimes it pays to be precise.  All of the OS distributions gave up
> on bash because it didn't quite conform to POSIX (even when invoked in
> POSIX compatibility mode), and that caused bugs in package
> installation and management for packages that used sh scripts rather
> than perl or python.  That's why shells like ash and dash exist.

I think it was more a question of size and startup speed.  bash has a
lot of features beyond those in the POSIX specs, and the main arguments
I saw for replacing bash with dash on systems such as Ubuntu were based
on benchmarks.

This choice led to a lot of fun with people having to clean their shell
scripts from "bashisms", constructs not available in POSIX standards but
provided by bash.  The "function" keyword for shell functions is one of
the most frequent offenders.

-- 
David Kastrup



  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-21 18:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 211+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-17 16:33 [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 16:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 17:14   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 17:28     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 18:23       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 19:09         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 20:28           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 20:44             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-17 21:25               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 21:32                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-17 22:00                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18  7:55                     ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-18 10:07                       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18 10:55                         ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-18 12:59                           ` Random832
2015-10-18 13:36                             ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18 15:06                             ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-18 17:32                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-18 19:17                               ` Random832
2015-10-18 19:52                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19  4:32                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-19  5:15                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19  5:19                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2015-10-19  5:56                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19  8:16                                     ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-31 17:03                             ` Kai Großjohann
2015-10-31 16:50                           ` Kai Großjohann
2015-10-31 19:03                             ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-17 22:09                 ` Random832
2015-10-17 22:45                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 20:47             ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-17 21:20               ` Random832
2015-10-17 21:35                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-17 21:27               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 21:53                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-17 22:22                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18  2:40                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-18 10:03                       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18 15:54                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-18 16:40                         ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18 17:48                         ` John Wiegley
2015-10-18  2:47                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-18 13:35                       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 19:14   ` Random832
2015-10-17 19:44     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 20:43       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 21:01       ` Random832
2015-10-17 17:23 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-17 18:11   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 18:42     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-19 12:35 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 12:59   ` David Kastrup
2015-10-19 13:09     ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 13:48       ` Random832
2015-10-19 13:53         ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 15:10           ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-19 17:06             ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20  1:41               ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-20  7:41                 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 10:16                   ` Nicolas Richard
2015-10-20 15:47                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-20 16:41                       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 16:59                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-20 17:32                           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 17:41                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-20 17:58                               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 18:11                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-20 18:19                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 23:34                                     ` Contributors and maintainers (Was: [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote.) John Wiegley
2015-10-21  7:29                                       ` Contributors and maintainers Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21  8:27                                         ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-10-21  8:45                                           ` David Kastrup
2015-10-21 12:03                                             ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 14:22                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 14:40                                                 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-21 16:05                                                 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 18:16                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-21 18:37                                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-10-21 14:34                                               ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-21 16:53                                                 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-21 17:24                                                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 18:49                                               ` John Wiegley
2015-10-21 14:07                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 14:36                                           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 15:44                                             ` David Kastrup
2015-10-21 16:23                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 17:22                                               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 17:41                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 19:58                                                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 21:21                                                     ` John Wiegley
2015-10-21 23:12                                                       ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 14:38                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 14:45                                           ` Jay Belanger
2015-10-21 17:05                                         ` John Wiegley
2015-10-21 17:46                                           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 18:12                                             ` John Wiegley
2015-10-21 18:19                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 18:18                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-21 18:54                                             ` John Wiegley
2015-10-22  5:40                                       ` Maintainers and contributors (was: Contributors and maintainers) John Wiegley
2015-10-22  7:20                                         ` Maintainers and contributors David Kastrup
2015-10-22 10:34                                         ` Maintainers and contributors (was: Contributors and maintainers) Artur Malabarba
2015-10-22 11:08                                           ` Maintainers and contributors David Kastrup
2015-10-22 11:55                                             ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-22 12:04                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-22 12:32                                                 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 15:10                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-22 18:27                                                     ` John Wiegley
2015-10-22 19:08                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-22 23:37                                                         ` John Wiegley
2015-10-23  0:37                                                           ` Jay Belanger
2015-10-22 18:58                                                     ` Jay Belanger
2015-10-21  3:25                                     ` [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote Random832
2015-10-21  4:30                                       ` David Kastrup
2015-10-21 14:05                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 14:18                                         ` Random832
2015-10-21 14:40                                           ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-21 16:19                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 16:37                                             ` David Kastrup
2015-10-21 17:18                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 17:06                                             ` Random832
2015-10-21 17:32                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 18:11                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-21 18:24                                                   ` David Kastrup [this message]
2015-10-26 12:58                                                     ` Steinar Bang
2015-10-21 18:24                                                   ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-10-21 18:44                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 18:57                                                       ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-10-21 19:10                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 19:30                                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-10-22 10:54                                                           ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-10-22 11:21                                                             ` Jeff Clough
2015-10-22 12:47                                                               ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 15:11                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-22 15:23                                                                   ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 15:51                                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2015-10-22 13:09                                                               ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-10-22 15:03                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-22 15:12                                                               ` David Kastrup
2015-11-06 23:35                                                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2015-11-07  7:51                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-22 15:41                                                               ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-22 15:52                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-22 17:25                                                               ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-10-21 18:11                                                 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-21 18:49                                                 ` Random832
2015-10-21 19:03                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 19:10                                                     ` Random832
2015-10-21 19:21                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 19:50                                                         ` Random832
2015-10-22  2:38                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-22  7:03                                                             ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 13:41                                                               ` Random832
2015-10-22 13:53                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 14:41                                                                   ` Random832
2015-10-22 14:50                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 16:18                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-22 15:20                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-01 18:39                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2015-11-01 20:39                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-01 22:34                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-20 19:00                                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 19:48                                     ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-10-20 20:47                                       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 21:08                                         ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-10-21 14:09                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 18:22                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-10-20 16:21                   ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-20 17:11                     ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 17:22                       ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-20 17:36                         ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 18:12                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-20 18:21                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 18:55                             ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-22  3:35                               ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-19 13:22   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 13:36     ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 13:56       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 13:41     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-19 13:43       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 13:55         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-19 14:09           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 15:13             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-19 17:08               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 17:11                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-19 17:46                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20  4:35                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-20  7:26                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20  7:55                     ` David Kastrup
2015-10-20  8:17                       ` John Wiegley
2015-10-20  8:38                         ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 12:48                           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 11:45                         ` Becoming an Emacs contributor (was: [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote.) Óscar Fuentes
2015-10-20 12:56                           ` Becoming an Emacs contributor Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 16:26                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 17:32                               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 17:41                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 17:53                                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 17:53                                 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-20 18:44                                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 19:12                                     ` David Kastrup
2015-10-24 17:26                                   ` Nix
2015-10-20 16:47                           ` Becoming an Emacs contributor (was: [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote.) Kaushal Modi
2015-10-20  8:34                       ` [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20  8:49                         ` David Kastrup
2015-10-20  8:54                           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 15:40                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 16:31                               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 16:51                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 17:28                                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 18:02                                     ` Eli Zaretskii

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