From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christian Kruse Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Future role of ELPA Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:25:10 +0100 Message-ID: <87oabhdpuh.fsf@jugulator.defunced.de> References: <87a8n20y7x.fsf@gmx.de> <87k2m60y08.fsf@mbork.pl> <871t8d26zp.fsf@gmx.de> <8760xpce7i.fsf@xsteve.at> <87vb5paxlp.fsf_-_@xsteve.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1455611135 17266 80.91.229.3 (16 Feb 2016 08:25:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 08:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan =?utf-8?Q?Reich=C3=B6r?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 16 09:25:26 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aVawn-0000AT-JP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:25:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42939 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVawm-0000ve-M9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 03:25:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54792) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVawj-0000v2-3v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 03:25:22 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVawf-0000bb-3X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 03:25:21 -0500 Original-Received: from jugulator.defunced.de ([89.238.65.41]:40803) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVawe-0000bE-NW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 03:25:17 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jugulator.defunced.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2F3726E039; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:25:14 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at defunct.ch Original-Received: from jugulator.defunced.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (painkiller.defunced.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wqD0wLj3N1PU; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:25:13 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (p54952D55.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.149.45.85]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by jugulator.defunced.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 28D96726E034; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:25:13 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87vb5paxlp.fsf_-_@xsteve.at> ("Stefan =?utf-8?Q?Reich=C3=B6r?= =?utf-8?Q?=22's?= message of "Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:05:54 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 89.238.65.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200018 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I am an Emacs user as well, and I so much disagree with you. Stefan Reich=C3=B6r writes: > As I user I am not happy with that direction. > Let me try to explain it. > I use Emacs since about 20 years. I use it daily and it is my primary > interface to computer related tasks. For sure I can adopt to what ever > direction emacs goes. 17 year here, since =E2=80=9899. I use Emacs for nearly everything as well. > I use a hand crafted .emacs and I am used to install emacs packes > manually to a site-lisp folders. Me, too, and I hated it. It was *SO* much work to keep track of everything I installed this way; for bigger packages I even had to change the load path to get it installed properly. Nowadays I just hit =E2=80=9Einstall=E2=80=9C - done. > With GNU ELPA I have to install the package first and get rid of it if I > don't like it. That=E2=80=99s easier now as well. Just `rm -rf` the sub-directory in the e= lpa directory and be done with it. Try to remove e.g. org-mode from the Emacs distribution. > My main concern with GNU ELPA is that I have to install a lot of extra > packages manually using the package manager. When they are built-in they > are just there. That=E2=80=99s exactly what I like about ELPA. I decide what I=E2=80=99d li= ke to have installed, and not some maintainer. For example I would never install tramp, this bugged piece of software caused me so much trouble (for example, `/dev/null` gets overwritten everytime I use tramp and I have to do a `mknod` everytime to re-create it). Moving more things to ELPA means more control for me, and it also means faster bugfixes for packages I use. I don=E2=80=99t have to wait for a new = Emacs release to get a bugfix for e.g. org-mode, but I can install a new version as soon as it has been released just by hitting enter on the install button. I totally like the way of moving things to ELPA. 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