From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Nicolas Richard" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-25 a9c48d5: Additional fixes for file notification Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:29:25 +0100 Message-ID: <87oab6160a.fsf@ulb.ac.be> References: <20160222175244.30186.2617@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <87k2lwv5ob.fsf@gmx.de> <87egc4v4hs.fsf@gmx.de> <8bd4ec21-1306-41bf-aca7-5571a3014337@default> <87r3g4js64.fsf@gmail.com> <877fhuq2bw.fsf@gnus.org> <8737silq8u.fsf@gnus.org> <7355e6dc-a6a1-c7ae-afef-740eac1cf1c3@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1456327812 7574 80.91.229.3 (24 Feb 2016 15:30:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:30:12 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 24 16:29:56 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aYbO0-0003ds-4C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:29:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36460 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aYbNz-0008FH-JG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 10:29:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52963) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aYbNk-0008FC-VC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 10:29:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aYbNc-0005nq-Rp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 10:29:38 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:56449) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aYbNc-0005nj-L0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 10:29:32 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aYbNZ-0003K5-Km for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:29:29 +0100 Original-Received: from mathsrv4.ulb.ac.be ([164.15.133.241]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:29:29 +0100 Original-Received: from youngfrog by mathsrv4.ulb.ac.be with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:29:29 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 34 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: mathsrv4.ulb.ac.be User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.91 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Q1eNdDh/1e7727oyar3MZFhE6Rc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200620 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > The divide between positive and natural numbers seems > pretty clear-cut. Unfortunately, the terms "natural numbers" is ambiguous enough that the Wikipedia page about them states very early : --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- Some authors begin the natural numbers with 0, corresponding to the non-negative integers 0, 1, 2, 3, …, whereas others start with 1, corresponding to the positive integers 1, 2, 3, ….[1][2][3][4] Texts that exclude zero from the natural numbers sometimes refer to the natural numbers together with zero as the whole numbers, but in other writings, that term is used instead for the integers (including negative integers). --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Natural_number&oldid=705339412) Now if you look at the German version, you'll see the first list omits 0, and only afterwards they mention 0 can be included too. --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- Die natürlichen Zahlen sind die beim Zählen verwendeten Zahlen 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 usw. Oft wird auch die 0 (Null) zu den natürlichen Zahlen gerechnet. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- (https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nat%C3%BCrliche_Zahl&oldid=151506740) Anyway, this has only limited implications IMHO : the docstring should be explicit about what the function does, including which convention of "positive" or "natural number" it follows (maybe also referencing natnump from the docstring of plusp). -- Nicolas Richard