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From: "Nicolas Richard" <youngfrog@members.fsf.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-25 a9c48d5: Additional fixes for file notification
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:29:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87oab6160a.fsf@ulb.ac.be> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7355e6dc-a6a1-c7ae-afef-740eac1cf1c3@yandex.ru

Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:

>              The divide between positive and natural numbers seems
> pretty clear-cut.

Unfortunately, the terms "natural numbers" is ambiguous enough that the
Wikipedia page about them states very early :
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Some authors begin the natural numbers with 0, corresponding to the
non-negative integers 0, 1, 2, 3, …, whereas others start with 1,
corresponding to the positive integers 1, 2, 3, ….[1][2][3][4] Texts
that exclude zero from the natural numbers sometimes refer to the
natural numbers together with zero as the whole numbers, but in other
writings, that term is used instead for the integers (including
negative integers).
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
(https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Natural_number&oldid=705339412)

Now if you look at the German version, you'll see the first list omits
0, and only afterwards they mention 0 can be included too.
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Die natürlichen Zahlen sind die beim Zählen verwendeten Zahlen 1, 2, 3,
4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 usw. Oft wird auch die 0 (Null) zu den natürlichen
Zahlen gerechnet.
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
(https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nat%C3%BCrliche_Zahl&oldid=151506740)

Anyway, this has only limited implications IMHO : the docstring should
be explicit about what the function does, including which convention of
"positive" or "natural number" it follows (maybe also referencing natnump
from the docstring of plusp).

-- 
Nicolas Richard




  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-24 15:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20160222175244.30186.2617@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <E1aXuf6-0007rW-6h@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2016-02-22 18:51   ` [Emacs-diffs] emacs-25 a9c48d5: Additional fixes for file notification Stefan Monnier
2016-02-22 20:41     ` Michael Albinus
2016-02-22 20:49       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-22 20:50       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-22 21:07         ` Michael Albinus
2016-02-22 21:19           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-22 22:48             ` Michael Albinus
2016-02-22 23:22               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-22 21:39           ` Drew Adams
2016-02-22 21:42             ` Kaushal Modi
2016-02-22 22:28               ` Oleh Krehel
2016-02-22 23:15                 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-23  1:05                 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-23  1:58                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-23  2:11                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-23 16:41                     ` John Wiegley
2016-02-23 16:50                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-23 17:11                         ` Drew Adams
2016-02-23 22:48                           ` John Wiegley
2016-02-24  1:56                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-24  2:00                               ` John Wiegley
2016-02-24  2:50                                 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-24  2:17                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-24  3:32                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-24  3:52                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-24  3:53                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-24  4:09                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-24  4:23                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-24 15:18                                   ` Nicolas Richard
2016-02-24 15:33                                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-02-24 12:21                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-24 15:29                                   ` Nicolas Richard [this message]
2016-02-24 16:51                                     ` Drew Adams
2016-02-24  4:08                           ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-02-24 10:02                             ` Stephen Berman
2016-02-29  6:24                   ` Drew Adams
2016-02-29  7:06                     ` John Wiegley
2016-02-29 15:41                       ` Drew Adams
2016-02-29 19:53                       ` Joost Kremers
2016-03-01 16:53                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-29 17:15                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-29 18:11                       ` Drew Adams
2016-02-29 18:47                         ` John Wiegley
2016-02-29 19:28                           ` Drew Adams
2016-02-29 20:05                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-29 21:19                           ` Drew Adams
2016-02-29 21:57                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-29 22:19                               ` Drew Adams
2016-03-01 16:53                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-01 20:09                           ` John Wiegley
2016-02-23 17:45                 ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]               ` <<87r3g4js64.fsf@gmail.com>
     [not found]                 ` <<E1aYH1b-0006nO-9u@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-02-23 18:09                   ` Drew Adams
2016-02-24 13:41                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-22 23:29             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-22 23:50               ` Drew Adams
2016-02-23 17:45             ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]         ` <<87egc4v4hs.fsf@gmx.de>
     [not found]           ` <<8bd4ec21-1306-41bf-aca7-5571a3014337@default>
     [not found]             ` <<E1aYH1M-0006ia-SR@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-02-23 18:05               ` Drew Adams
2016-02-24 13:41                 ` Richard Stallman

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