From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20637: incompatible, undocumented change to vc-working-revision Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 17:26:33 +0200 Message-ID: <87oa9cyzx2.fsf@gmx.de> References: <6ok2vyzwf9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <08f70cda-44be-0657-e50a-2b2c80d2c21c@yandex.ru> <87mvphnoei.fsf@gmx.de> <874mbawp84.fsf@gmx.de> <878u0llwq6.fsf@gmx.de> <0455367c-8ece-3520-a79e-6b08110e8108@yandex.ru> <87potxwd1u.fsf@gmx.de> <87egacws5x.fsf@gmx.de> <87twj4hdim.fsf@gmx.de> <8a0a80ab-a299-814e-1e18-68ce6e74d9f9@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1460647646 10933 80.91.229.3 (14 Apr 2016 15:27:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 15:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20637@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 14 17:27:17 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aqjAq-0001l1-Rd for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Thu, 14 Apr 2016 15:27:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20637) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Apr 2016 15:26:43 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35477 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aqjAJ-0005jm-3c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:26:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:52311) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aqjAH-0005jY-1V for 20637@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:26:41 -0400 Original-Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.59.141]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MAy40-1ayO7z09Ke-009xLD; Thu, 14 Apr 2016 17:26:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8a0a80ab-a299-814e-1e18-68ce6e74d9f9@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Thu, 14 Apr 2016 16:53:27 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:gnBSsAp2ufTtr11RPlgPiUGYxX7h0QJlcaJiOqJ+WgViFhYNbIG iQnEJOkGp+Pg09fCkdT+Xt8oB5ghugoaYQMDMZDwsoGlgUhYP4985XEsSyyzSUkhBxqDHFU e8/01gkdBUrkbnv+wntkervM4CNxm+MN0JCQHjI1Q1ziaMwGgrPpyMLxKvBhfbQYH9TapY/ l5oZeIzZ+6UPWZIO7wOog== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:SHK3V/5M1RI=:XCCOcFbjtNjyxJy5Jvf9Fs 0yZyI5dKAAPHPl9MlA0QXJ/Vdf9KDn0gVeNf/Cg4Oh9lAm8s26FUTsjWTPG0dMIDx/85yKA2k FP5v4Lxe1/b+2VGOACkxK+XTNbGPkRBlWkeHzGr3g/U6qPi+dyCN2kWk8wwJKeKBCQFn2bvM3 qdTazB47F1J3kW3lKAb0LEXxdYYJ/CD3+u45EalivQAOc/PcRyNuuQDerLd+ZIrDImns2jLwU Tng54t1DB3yf+QiEhEsFmsi+WtKEorkoUPgFeiOANijy+iZGz40cXxMgu/bT5VvW7TAZncgG6 /3x5jZak0yEHY4ceBgk04YoJv/ZC5COcC7Z90X6c/xzJWyhwE9ZJIb2A57kOf9YXLEn1X7Xkr T2W5b+m7M7yQB4f3fR15e7kM+wLmZKpKcmOMumoMWisgjLTTy7NorCA2DS5w0/q3SwexlebvG tFc+/Cp5Vdr3wjPtBB5kdyOT7iXr5NP+repnEDch26bNPEp3F9BStL8rcg4WyG4Ryf/aG/Evl F4ixbBb7E8j3RxVBH07lUv3m3MVzRNMG0OuV8SOTTnw8jxz+SDBNB72r91XQHdpFYVX/b0XIH LsQQI3LhJgcuYl+PmrBMLda4LlqsPpVYF3OJBImmjqPaybiHERscXbQ0Qy82T0PCe7X6K4hU3 LxMkuzGg0YQXPQvKH8eJvGYncr+F4qz54LgzF4KxcRj24vJuJ4G8Dj+YAEw2qLaxp9iqswAtF yuc4i3kET2j77kau3Hmz9NpYmV87Td0VNAoQRZBOmyHAXBueFnBEKV29+7qYiaoQfmS4hRsR X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:116459 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: >> And I still feel unhappy that none of the active Emacs maintainers feels >> responsible for vc*.el. > > I do feel responsible, and I try to take care of most bug reports in > that area. I know that you do and I really appreciate this! But since ESRs rewrite in fall 2014, there are still several inconsistencies. Eric confirmed that in an email to me. So it's not only bug hunting, a systematic review of the state is needed. I've started to write systematic tests (up to my limited knowledge), and I've asked several times in emacs-devel ML for support, but nearly no response. That's why I'm kinda frustrated. Well, forget my lamenting. I'm still willing to help to improve. But I cannot do this alone, as in the past. >> I'm trying to support fixing problems here, but >> most of the code, and the VCSes being used, are still terra incognita for me. > > It would be great if the problems we're fixing were formulated like > "VC behaves like this, and it causes that problem in practice (or > could cause, at least)", rather than "here is a test case, and I feel > it should pass". I think that would encourage more practical choices. I agree that the tests shall be much more commented. But I see also the lack of documentation and implicit design decisions (you spoke about somewhere), which must be improved I believe. Best regards, Michael.