From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Berman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23781: 25.0.95; read-string with HIST lexically bound Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 12:12:46 +0200 Message-ID: <87oa6pwp9d.fsf@gmx.net> References: <6bd7ad5e-7319-5f07-4612-26cda5621291@gmail.com> <877fdn96sv.fsf@web.de> <321d46ee-407f-4a6e-93be-302a55da6196@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1466851345 1022 80.91.229.3 (25 Jun 2016 10:42:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 10:42:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Michael Heerdegen , Tino Calancha , 23781@debbugs.gnu.org To: Noam Postavsky Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 25 12:42:14 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bGl2T-0005UE-9x for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Sat, 25 Jun 2016 10:42:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23781) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jun 2016 10:41:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54923 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bGl1y-00068c-HV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 06:41:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:51011) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bGl1w-00068Q-KP for 23781@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 06:41:41 -0400 Original-Received: from rosalinde ([89.245.114.250]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M2ts6-1bWlfm2Fhm-00saNa; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 12:41:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Noam Postavsky's message of "Fri, 24 Jun 2016 20:26:45 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:fLacSJMyIjwbJXgMJeA6dw87cXtgX76lgP4xdhFxRnmYDIENZry hHDVOvP+aWnF+jq8jQLrT3yyPWgiUq728/zjkxfHZDmCP7uSi7Wsfli0y34QwRxsmas59Ra l22Bzuk4MUvBVCG3l+RWmNFbkYBNFYhGY9jNdhWXeJRleSvZ6uuJtxqDqXc/l/4o5jnn6vz 8gA8XAx374vYm/DPxB5Ag== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:HfhACu64yO4=:O+1Zw0O0Lzfaigh99xtkU5 iPrxPgc0FfU3e7e+x67754LQwOjCOuu2B5spcQt2uS69X7dyBSN7UrshibOMjh6oUuNI1dqTu BBy/Rz9B4/QASVjJfDNGezK0yZpIoWVNy99/TGdLuoll38k8Z3E2HAbzIzDtlzhe0K1i+kUhf hoGYXbAJ3VA3nv8NPgrFeuYhr2Wdfcn8m4e+ySIjbhOcEZ6qErJiXB+s+HmRFIWN9h9wSuAea gMq7YGdnPuDp5/TVG95TdWr8oPHpFUL2Re7q79ow51+nQPmCfMC0TMn8rkD3fS8cwMmt3iqGz wj2MTXJiq1l9FI/8hauHgE59igiwQLXVwKpREpbwqGaYoPu+bTp3HbNaLPGyMm0TA8kt92hay SpV8hPWnjM5a9BlK9kd3IYB2R0MsDceD5mYgHg47ByrsclNRzrvraAvY/fmNT0lReNg3Cz2ys Jm35EilYzVPeTaCKxejSG6AgSAzV95lgcn3HzUh1d5Oq7CK+ccPoFu7VL/z9iLFwnh0JYhrps Uzcmf+BGmT+hIpAtFvQrxZUikT6HO4FT+IBt3GLw/YlTceIoIXKb39mDFWgdwF5vIKaODoZ/w 1204P1feT4A+U0KIDnNOlxgvYAlbIbM10arxDEisQyY8AKKI+zu5PCRdQcnRf4na4enSpgMEk cEmAYLOtJ0MZJ4HmTSCVhLsJOZ3COL92ZWMYfgNLCjUzSc8XF3atbvLbZdVZwW0xvPENcPvrO W/B9GjO5dAxk9pro/hMbpcrWXbRwSwu3dqNptXn1trigxiBh5lHMq4mLJP+7P3LpWa2MnVTg X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:120041 Archived-At: On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 20:26:45 -0400 Noam Postavsky wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 7:18 PM, Drew Adams wrote: >>> I think we should be a little more specific, not >>> just give examples, something like: >>> >>> Note that functions which take a symbol argument (like >>> =E2=80=98symbol-value=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98boundp=E2=80=99, and =E2= =80=98set=E2=80=99) can only retrieve or modify a >>> variable=E2=80=99s dynamic binding (i.e., the contents of its symbo= l=E2=80=99s >>> value cell). >> >> Be even more specific: A Lisp symbol is a dynamic thing. >> It is an object. Lexical binding has nothing to do with symbols. >> A given _name_ in code can sometimes be lexically bound. > > Hmm, this threatens to get a little philosophical, but that seems to > contradict earlier text in the same node: > > Here is how lexical binding works. Each binding construct > defines a =E2=80=9Clexical environment=E2=80=9D, specifying the symbo= ls that are > bound within the construct and their local values. I think it's more a question of definition than philosophy: AFAIU using the word "symbols" here is strictly speaking incorrect; it should be "variables". Steve Berman