From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:49:50 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87oa689oc1.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <87twg2g86g.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83eg76n5h5.fsf@gnu.org> <87y45eeoor.fsf@lifelogs.com> <577D42BB.1020500@cs.ucla.edu> <87oa694rfw.fsf@russet.org.uk> <837fcxlbay.fsf@gnu.org> <87lh1d2wg5.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83eg75jk5h.fsf@gnu.org> <87lh1cb6p0.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83k2gwi5qr.fsf@gnu.org> <87zips9pl8.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83eg74i4o3.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467989427 9284 80.91.229.3 (8 Jul 2016 14:50:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 14:50:27 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 08 16:50:18 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bLX6g-000559-CZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 16:50:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46074 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLX6c-0000hK-Dt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:50:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59200) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLX6W-0000fs-3C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:50:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLX6P-0008GV-G1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:50:07 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:37702) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLX6P-0008GD-8r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:50:01 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bLX6M-0004u0-F0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 16:49:58 +0200 Original-Received: from c-98-229-60-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([98.229.60.157]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 16:49:58 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by c-98-229-60-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 16:49:58 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 38 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-229-60-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:sBRupiipGneEWsZr9IhiAJz23YE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205444 Archived-At: On Fri, 08 Jul 2016 17:29:48 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Ted Zlatanov >> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:22:43 -0400 >> >> On Fri, 08 Jul 2016 17:06:36 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >> >> From: Ted Zlatanov >> >> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 09:27:55 -0400 >> >> EZ> All the other projects I EZ> participate in make it harder, and yet no one complains or thinks they EZ> are hard on contributors. >> >> >> >> I think there is a confirmation bias there: people tend to believe the >> >> feedback that confirms their existing views and discount the opposite. >> EZ> I think you underestimate my abilities to avoid from such fallacies. EZ> It's almost an offense to say that. >> >> I was talking about all the people in those projects that are not >> complaining. EZ> That includes me. I'm hereby explicitly excluding you from my statement :) Please consider the wider implication, not the personal one. EZ> Besides, why would people in those other projects suffer from this EZ> bias, while people here don't? All people have this bias, see for example: Nickerson, R. S. (1998). Confirmation bias: A ubiquitous phenomenon in many guises. Review of General Psychology, 2(2), 175-220. Ted