From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Cochran Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 15:48:49 -0700 Message-ID: <87oa5pnvam.fsf@cochranmail.com> References: <46f603db-cf91-495d-d330-87b3538b7872@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1469227760 30861 80.91.229.3 (22 Jul 2016 22:49:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 22:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Pit--Claudel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 23 00:49:10 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bQjFm-0007d7-2a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 00:49:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49620 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQjFl-0002PC-Gx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 18:49:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40970) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQjFd-0002Jx-I9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 18:49:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQjFZ-0003lr-CI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 18:49:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.workgrouplinux.net ([207.195.177.82]:53455) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQjFZ-0003kF-0J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 18:48:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple; d=cochranmail.com; h=from:to :cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=dkim1; bh=GCNrGtfwrXW 3mXvv0LvbYQKYVZs=; b=sbiW48TCtrlYEC7xpDJQH9n1t0qUiMbvpZxH/YDuKTD upvP+AVfe6oiLDiJ0KGVleMjpl4hlRlc1ebD77Rdk4tqtbqmslNkeK0/aOqCrp2a 2+DfxTfcO5S+FjLoBto32ncHP7I2vdGz88RLT0efdwC+oPPX3UJsFnu6bBRzhKv9 kUUtJ2GEAEw0jqB18ijcHvsk+4a2P5MJnQz7m96WSHWb5LQA1AB9YOMA7G6/YeDJ LI17KzpieWruf+Axrik9FNaPXh4fFOhS1veqcpcY42YcbZjTbzMyzMCpZMPDbjh8 qq+s79JOJLTgNrMGUbnSS7NgF65+amR0iQXt5nL6Bpw== Original-Received: (qmail 30282 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jul 2016 22:48:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=private; d=cochranmail.com; b=E29k2gXtRmU1mwew5u41fBlHtp36ZFxEuxLXqb70Qe2olEtrusP71gjlugYz//Og2aFYCNiBcXtVoLE+lZkJYA==; Original-Received: from 131-191-86-130.as.clicknet.org (HELO SoraLaptop) (robert@cochranmail.com@131.191.86.130) by mail.cochrantribe.org with ESMTPA; 22 Jul 2016 22:48:50 -0000 In-Reply-To: <46f603db-cf91-495d-d330-87b3538b7872@gmail.com> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Cl=C3=A9ment?= Pit--Claudel"'s message of "Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:02:03 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.95 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 207.195.177.82 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:206054 Archived-At: Cl=C3=A9ment Pit--Claudel writes: > I for one would welcome a code of conduct :) These things tend to send > an explicit positive message, and there are virtually no downsides to > having one. I disagree. When I think 'Code of Conduct', I inevitably think of the Social Justice Warriors. I think very lowly of the SJWs, and I'm always set on edge, at least a little, when I see that a project has adopted a CoC. That tends to be an indicator that the SJWs have infected a project. See http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=3D6918 for a larger picture. Let me leave you with this excerpt to set the stage (slightly adjusted to better fit ASCII): > Rosario tagged his Twitter report "Social Justice in action!" He knows > who these people are: SJWs, "Social Justice Warriors". And, unless you > have been living under a rock, so do you. These are the people =E2=80=93 = the > political and doctrinal tendency, united if in no other way by an > elaborate shared jargon and a seething hatred of djangoconcardiff=E2=80= =99s > "white straight male", who recently hounded Nobel laureate Tim Hunt out > of his job with a /fraudulent/ accusation of sexist remarks. I'd personally advocate for no code at all. "Be an adult, not an asshole". Anyone that needs common decency rules spelled out for them is probably not a good candidate for contributing, IMO. If we must have a code, I'd pick something like the "Code of Merit" (http://code-of-merit.org/), that makes it explicitly clear we are here to write software, not to coddle people. I know that I'm a relative newcomer to the Emacs lists, and that my opinion isn't going to be as highly esteemed as some, but this issue is important to me and I feel like I need to make my voice heard. Thanks, ~Robert Cochran