From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Change Tramp syntax
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2017 19:50:38 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o9wc83kh.fsf@detlef> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2shlo9k93.fsf@newartisans.com> (John Wiegley's message of "Tue, 04 Apr 2017 10:04:56 -0700")
John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com> writes:
Hi John,
>> This is the essence of my question: Does it solve the problem for some, at a
>> cost to others? What is the new user experience if they fail to use "ssh:"?
>> Is it obvious what they've done wrong and how to fix it?
>
> Michael, I'd still like an answer to these questions, please. I'm concerned
> about how this change is going to affect users who aren't as aware of Tramp
> and its workings. Thanks! Alternatively, if we implement a compat translation
> that is on by default for at least a few versions, it would resolve these
> questions as well.
If people do a simple "C-x C-f /localhost:" from an Emacs started with
-Q, they get an error "File not found and directory
write-protected". Tramp cannot do anything else, because it is not
involved.
If there is a file name completion package active (ido, icomplete,
whatever), they get a guidance while typing the filename, latest when
the trailing ":" has been typed.
If a user tries to complete a filename, even if only plain Emacs is
called with -Q, she gets a guidance. Typing "/ l o c <TAB>" does not
complete to anything.
Well, this decision is a trade-off between my permanent frustration of
not working parts of Tramp (and being blamed for this when I tried to
find a solution), and limiting users with a changed syntax. If you call
me guilty, then I'm guilty for not doing this change 15 years ago.
I believe it won't be too much bad feedback after people have understood
the change. Some years ago, the obscure /multi:ssh:host1:ssh:host2:
syntax was removed, even w/o an alternative. Later, the alternative
/ssh:host1|ssh:host2: was introduced. People did accept.
Of course, I'm biased, and there might have been a lot of frustration
from people because of that change. But then it didn't reach me.
Adding pure ange-ftp like syntax, as I have offered, seems to be a good
compromise for all of us.
And please take also into account, that I mean it seriously: if you
insist in keeping the syntax as it was, I will insist in seeing other
people working on Tramp. I'm the lonely maintainer since 2004, and there
are no remarkable contributions from somebody else except tramp-adb.el,
written by Juergen Hoetzel.
> Thanks,
Best regards, Michael.
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[not found] ` <20170309184458.08C9725FCF@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2017-03-10 8:43 ` [Emacs-diffs] master 37b88d7: Fix bug#23006 Stefan Monnier
2017-03-10 10:00 ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-10 10:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-10 10:32 ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-10 10:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-10 14:14 ` Change Tramp syntax (was: [Emacs-diffs] master 37b88d7: Fix bug#23006) Michael Albinus
2017-03-10 15:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-03 15:54 ` Change Tramp syntax John Wiegley
2017-04-03 17:00 ` Michael Albinus
2017-04-03 23:14 ` John Wiegley
2017-04-03 23:35 ` Drew Adams
2017-04-04 8:46 ` Michael Albinus
2017-04-04 16:46 ` John Wiegley
2017-04-04 16:59 ` Michael Albinus
2017-04-04 19:44 ` John Wiegley
2017-04-06 19:12 ` Michael Albinus
2017-04-07 5:27 ` John Wiegley
2017-04-08 16:43 ` Michael Albinus
2017-04-13 18:00 ` John Wiegley
2017-04-07 13:52 ` Filipp Gunbin
2017-04-07 14:02 ` Michael Albinus
2017-04-08 16:41 ` Michael Albinus
2017-04-09 19:18 ` Talking about Lisp symbols Richard Stallman
2017-04-10 13:43 ` Change Tramp syntax Filipp Gunbin
2017-04-10 16:18 ` Teemu Likonen
2017-04-10 16:45 ` Michael Albinus
2017-04-10 18:03 ` Teemu Likonen
2017-04-04 17:04 ` John Wiegley
2017-04-04 17:50 ` Michael Albinus [this message]
2017-04-04 21:08 ` John Wiegley
2017-04-04 7:09 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-03-10 16:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-11 19:44 ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-11 20:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-11 20:31 ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-12 15:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-12 18:30 ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-12 22:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-13 17:23 ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-13 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-13 17:35 ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-14 3:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-14 9:06 ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-14 14:13 ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-14 16:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-14 15:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-11 21:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-12 9:10 ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-12 17:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-12 18:43 ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-12 21:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-13 7:23 ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-10 10:30 ` [Emacs-diffs] master 37b88d7: Fix bug#23006 Dmitry Gutov
2017-03-10 10:36 ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-10 13:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-03-10 10:34 ` Stefan Monnier
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