From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: RFC: Adding BBDB to Emacs core Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 13:30:25 -0700 Message-ID: <87o9ii51y6.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <m3zi265o49.fsf@fitzsim.org> <ygfvacuugb7.fsf@fastmail.com> <87lgdpphmm.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <ygfo9il1k4i.fsf@fastmail.com> <CAM9Zgm0yQjL+tOg1cRfyfshb4oQGFMJNJ5057K58S1Fj+bJsgw@mail.gmail.com> <m21sffn2tl.fsf@newartisans.com> <m3o9ij42zk.fsf@fitzsim.org> <jwvwox7huo4.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1523910794 16667 195.159.176.226 (16 Apr 2018 20:33:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 20:33:14 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 16 22:33:10 2018 Return-path: <emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org> Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org>) id 1f8AoG-0004Db-TH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 22:33:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41959 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org>) id 1f8AqM-00044S-1M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:35:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50402) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>) id 1f8AoK-0003No-4b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:33:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>) id 1f8AoH-0001es-1B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:33:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([50.56.99.223]:55677) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>) id 1f8AoG-0001ZY-SF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:33:08 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (50-251-205-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.251.205.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 31928C12DE; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 20:33:01 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1523910781; bh=inkPHDsOJ40fC1DU9a1Una0YrC5JAo+diNi2gnx3gRw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=PYUWnS5OEAXo0DA5sLXZXjhf3jg1MT/GeWUExcJn6YwQXNK7R7AXDaxKCCq3336j8 23usefepeZftZ4Oc8T73if+EfU9nBBHmzF2FOj6K86VYYIaq+VD50zOcl4dcpc5hcS IGsNKRR11JFDUM0+vxjRos4EbTjJkfeFMvuAGYFU= In-Reply-To: <jwvwox7huo4.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 16 Apr 2018 14:36:06 -0400") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 50.56.99.223 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/options/emacs-devel>, <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/> List-Post: <mailto:emacs-devel@gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel>, <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" <emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org> Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:224682 Archived-At: <http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/224682> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes: > Before deciding on this, I think we'd need a clear picture of the ways > in which BBDB is needed/used by EUDC. > > I see you saying things like "EUDC requiring something not in the tree", > but I don't see anything in EUDC that really requires BBDB, instead > I just see glue code that lets you use BBDB when it's available, just > like there's code that lets you use LDAP when it's available (but > there's clearly no corresponding push to try and add LDAP directly into > Emacs). I'm also curious about this, as I've started implementing EUDC support for EBDB. On "my" side, I'm seeing `eudc-register-protocol', and a bunch of calls to `eudc-protocol-set'. Shouldn't those thing be enough? If EUDC provides a generalized framework, shouldn't the whole point be that it doesn't need to know about its implementations?