From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Garreau\, Alexandre" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Spam through the newsgroup gateway Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 19:01:19 +0200 Message-ID: <87o9bfiasg.fsf@portable.galex-713.eu> References: <20181025130739756133190@bob.proulx.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1540659602 15610 195.159.176.226 (27 Oct 2018 17:00:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 17:00:02 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus (5.13), GNU Emacs 25.1.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.11) of 2017-09-15, modified by Debian To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 27 18:59:58 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gGRwL-0003vp-Bm for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 18:59:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37245 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gGRyR-0008OP-UQ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 13:02:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47486) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gGRxw-0008OJ-LO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 13:01:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gGRxs-000788-7q for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 13:01:34 -0400 Original-Received: from portable.galex-713.eu ([2a00:5884:8305::1]:54240) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gGRxp-00075i-Jt for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 13:01:30 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=portable.galex-713.eu) by portable.galex-713.eu with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gGRxf-0003PN-Po for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 19:01:19 +0200 PGP-FINGERPRINT: E109 9988 4197 D7CB B0BC 5C23 8DEB 24BA 867D 3F7F Accept-Language: fr, en, eo, it, br In-Reply-To: <20181025130739756133190@bob.proulx.com> (Bob Proulx's message of "Thu, 25 Oct 2018 13:13:54 -0600") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:5884:8305::1 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:118445 Archived-At: On 2018-10-25 at 13:13, Bob Proulx wrote: > Since we have been talking about the newsgroup gateway of late... > > The recent spam messages just now to the mailing list came through the > newsgroup and not the mailing list. There isn't a way to filter it > from the mailing list since it is done upstream by Mailman outside of > our control. > > It is an example of a peeve of mine with the way Mailman handles > email. When spam enters the newsgroup it is gateway'd directly to the > mailing list bypassing spam filtering. If it went through the spam > filtering the same as other mail then I would be okay with it. The > only direct way to stop it is to block messages from the gateway. And > obviously we have already talked about why that isn't desired. > > Public Service Announcement: Please do not reply to spam. If a valid > message is in reply to a spam message then it refers to it and in a > sense validates it. To talk about spam please use an independent > thread so as not to validate the original spam. Why so? If not sending anything to whoever sent the mail, will they track the mailing-list or its archive to find some other mail referring to it, and take this as an encouragement and post more spam? Otherwise, what=E2=80=99s the problem of validation if it=E2=80=99s for a s= ingle spam? Let=E2=80=99s say someone got their antispam block that spam: it seems to me normal, whenever a discussion is being about some spam that has been relayed by the list, that the user either see the aforementioned spam, to aknowledge the problem other are living (and get a sample of it), or not to see the thread at all, as they=E2=80=99re not concerned. Ideally there should be a way to trigger metadata so that when you answer to something you do while marking it as spam for people seeing your message, like a mail header for it.