From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Markus Triska Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#33901: 26.1; cl-letf is unexpectedly not autoloaded Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 11:22:49 +0100 Message-ID: <87o993ia9y.fsf@metalevel.at> References: <87k1jstr6n.fsf@igel.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1546165271 24698 195.159.176.226 (30 Dec 2018 10:21:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 10:21:11 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Emacs/24.5 Cc: 33901@debbugs.gnu.org To: Andreas Schwab Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 30 11:21:07 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gdYDR-0006I5-9j for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 11:21:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43735 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gdYFY-0007yq-73 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 05:23:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34264) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gdYFP-0007yj-Ly for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 05:23:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gdYFK-0002rS-Oj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 05:23:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:57587) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gdYFK-0002rN-Ll for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 05:23:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gdYFK-0003oB-E3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 05:23:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Markus Triska Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 10:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 33901 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 33901-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B33901.154616537214608 (code B ref 33901); Sun, 30 Dec 2018 10:23:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 33901) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Dec 2018 10:22:52 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41846 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gdYFA-0003nW-CV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 05:22:52 -0500 Original-Received: from metalevel.at ([78.46.218.83]:38752) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gdYF8-0003nN-EJ for 33901@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 05:22:50 -0500 Original-Received: by metalevel.at (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 207C3A24A4; Sun, 30 Dec 2018 11:22:49 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87k1jstr6n.fsf@igel.home> (Andreas Schwab's message of "Sat, 29 Dec 2018 14:09:52 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:154014 Archived-At: Andreas Schwab writes: >> Is this really the intended way? I mean, why is this described as an >> "autoloaded" macro then? > > Because you have loaded the cl package. To be absolutely honest, for a macro that is documented as autoloaded, I expect Emacs to automatically load all required files. So, in this concrete case, I would expect Emacs to automatically load cl, cl-lib, or cl-macs, or whatever is necessary to use cl-letf. If it does not do this, my impression is that the macro shall not be called autoloaded, on the grounds that the required definitions are not automatically loaded.