From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Zhu Zihao Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why subr.el doesn't provide a feature? Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 20:15:09 +0800 Message-ID: <87o905jzua.wl-all_but_last@163.com> References: <87sgpkipul.wl-all_but_last@163.com> <83k1awbg3b.fsf@gnu.org> <87pnko8cgb.wl-all_but_last@163.com> <878sr97iej.fsf@tcd.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="50448"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/27.0 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Zhu Zihao , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Basil L. Contovounesios" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 31 14:19:19 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1i42Lf-000D0R-H1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 14:19:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44672 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1i42Le-0007uu-FI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 08:19:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50364) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1i42KR-0007tl-Hu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 08:18:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i42KN-0008TD-U8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 08:18:00 -0400 Original-Received: from m12-14.163.com ([220.181.12.14]:39687) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i42KL-0008M8-5S; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 08:17:58 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=163.com; s=s110527; h=Date:Message-ID:From:Subject:MIME-Version; bh=vh6ql 9ojeHWRfDp790LmNYl2QXeqyzGJUEc/xuIzQSA=; b=ZEKGpmAvIFvQqFVEX8cV4 wP9j2r3C3az4sdGggwvbKCWEMja2RNGKmAY8ayzSYpoHt+ZmQzWt2E2Ek83G8G+5 hYMQ4I3Ru8Mv6We5GgT1G5Ov7tDPqau2yp8IrU/9RpDkZRs27pwtEcxYkQNzlhW5 mztMYH8rOsT7o6LCu6A8WA= Original-Received: from archlinux.163.com (unknown [223.104.65.88]) by smtp10 (Coremail) with SMTP id DsCowACXPqvXZGpdkk5tAQ--.54353S2; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 20:15:53 +0800 (CST) In-Reply-To: <878sr97iej.fsf@tcd.ie> X-Face: :]]%@R1{oDt0%iKgI@Kga#OZ; ogt+%OOne&J4#E*O,TIlI)yEFw--I\:3s~EV97GI$1.1!}8inmF9UgtUBB@#8>'8NWNC8qg/v*OLfQB; Z:@G3HeNf3u& ,&HpBGv%?p{bzsl'|5T";1&X X-CM-TRANSID: DsCowACXPqvXZGpdkk5tAQ--.54353S2 X-Coremail-Antispam: 1Uf129KBjvdXoWrKFW5Jw4kKw4Duw1ktr1UKFg_yoWfZFgEgr WkCrWxZw4xCwsrJ347t3yfuFWDtas5JF98CFWFqw13uryfXFWakr4DX3Wa9a1fXa17Gwn8 Ww1S9rW7t34I9jkaLaAFLSUrUUUUUb8apTn2vfkv8UJUUUU8Yxn0WfASr-VFAUDa7-sFnT 9fnUUvcSsGvfC2KfnxnUUI43ZEXa7IU0-Aw7UUUUU== X-Originating-IP: [223.104.65.88] X-CM-SenderInfo: pdoosuxxwbztlvw6il2tof0z/1tbitA0ir1SIdzgzWwAAsP X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 220.181.12.14 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:239726 Archived-At: On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 18:12:36 +0800, Basil L. Contovounesios wrote: > > Zhu Zihao writes: > > > Should we add a provide form for subr? I ask this question because I see a elisp > > file wrote "(require 'subr)" and no doubt that it failed to run because subr.el > > didn't provide such feature. > > Can you show which file this was in? > Perhaps the author meant to write (require 'subr-x). > > -- > Basil Thanks for your intention, but I think it just a misnomer because the author of that elisp file had require subr-x explicitly. And now subr requirement had been removed in https://github.com/manateelazycat/snails/commit/4677daf80a8ee6d5202b98d1acde7a99c2294ec9 IMO, missing provide form is a counter-intuitive behavior because almost all library have one(even backquote.el). I can't find a reason for why subr lacks this, so I guess adding provide form for subr may breaks emacs bootstrap.