From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9248: 23.2; Welcome screen Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 18:26:46 +0100 Message-ID: <87o8uztl0p.fsf@marxist.se> References: <868vr97e2e.fsf@jmfranc-laptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87a76l1wen.fsf@marxist.se> <87tv4tbfoz.fsf@gmail.com> <871rrxxfea.fsf@marxist.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="36472"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 9248@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@gmail.com To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 19 18:27:21 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1itEM5-0009Rn-8J for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=OxYTC3ah5OzhRBUkcrvlcMuvWBt2Xf2hU1ve2BttTIQ=; b=Udb6m61orjybtXLyjh8h+bsAf4 PNIEUQYi9ztgDOvGy3wKMFN2HiyXaNTkVe8tLq8RumgN04N8LSus/mxDh6PISkXOozmspMd8xF8oL E22sl2f/b4IzQlp5P4CquZiK332rb5fe8GHhR5VyZZiJxkQHKkvJAriQQa1PA2iY7rYBomu7YK4hV KXz0UXSLLlHCIT4mPnzAcqA+1ikOQo8OpqJ1UfTeyl5sRPLddcbf7fAXzhZJVy5dGC6+w3VKu7y3b NltRTG7n4i+F62WdsI5Hm00ZsANSWLwI0RidHcoS00z8fP79h9i8HaHul4rGbZWtxPStXi7yyAoaQ LOLHqlXA==; Original-Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:45736 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1itELY-000Vks-I6; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 12:26:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 18 Jan 2020 22:38:56 -0500") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:174880 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > > There is very important political information on that screen about > > user freedom, GNU and the FSF. Yes. But this way of showing it to > > users is too intrusive. We win the fight against proprietary software > > also by providing the best possible user experience. > > We don't win anything for our cause if the users of our software > don't know what the cause is. > > It used to be that people could easily use Emacs for years and > never have the faintest idea what we are fighting for. Emacs > displayed this information only in circumstances which they never saw. > When I discovered that, I changed it to present that information in > more circumstances, so that all users would see it. > > If it is slightly annoying to see this information when you already > know it, consider that that is a rather small sacrifice to make for > the cause of freedom. Those are some good points. I think you convinced me that there is no need to change this, although my preferences are slighly different. Given the lack of support from other Emacs developers to change this default, I think it's unlikely to ever happen. Therefore, it would probably make the most sense to close this bug as wontfix/notabug. Best regards, Stefan Kangas