From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 02:35:05 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87o8rbmbfa.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <20200426172206.GC18629@ACM> <87y2qhnc9a.fsf@gmail.com> <20200427102311.GA4976@ACM> <87mu6xtano.fsf@gmail.com> <87k120ohsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87blnbir01.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="88897"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Emacs developers , Stefan Kangas , =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=E9vin?= Le Gouguec To: Nicolas Goaziou Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 29 01:59:04 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jTa80-000N0y-22 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 01:59:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48450 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTa7z-0001P9-3v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:59:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36088) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTa71-0000dw-Av for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:58:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTa70-0007JO-JA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:58:03 -0400 Original-Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]:55529) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTa6z-0007E2-Su for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:58:02 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.106.11 Original-Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-106-11.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.106.11]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 90AF7C0009; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 23:57:55 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87blnbir01.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (Nicolas Goaziou's message of "Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:12:14 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.198; envelope-from=juri@linkov.net; helo=relay6-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/28 19:57:57 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 217.70.183.198 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248056 Archived-At: >>> (Frustratingly, org-mode uses what I think of as the "old" convention >>> to use RET as "plain newline" and C-j as "smart newline with indent".) >> >> There are many things that are frustrating in org-mode. >> Many Emacs features are disabled in org-mode, and >> standard keys are redefined to behave in own way. >> >> What is worse, often org-mode takes freedom from users for no reason. >> I mean such artificial restrictions as for example preventing users >> from customizing positions of Org popup windows: >> >> (defmacro org-no-popups (&rest body) >> "Suppress popup windows and evaluate BODY." >> `(let (pop-up-frames display-buffer-alist) >> ,@body)) >> >> that ignores user customization in display-buffer-alist. > > As a side note, I'm positively sure Org developers would love help, or > better, code, to re-enable disabled Emacs features, and to give back > freedom to their users. > > I think most of these issues are historic artifacts no one dared, or > took time, to reconsider. Nice to hear. Maybe it would be possible to group all specific keybindings (that override the default Emacs commands) into a mode enabled by default, but that could be easily disabled, resetting them to their original definitions.