From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Drop the Copyright Assignment requirement for Emacs Date: Sat, 09 May 2020 13:49:54 +0200 Message-ID: <87o8qxjpka.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <9mmFgzvrBwjt_n_VJyaJdXINraNi5HsGpwq-0MLeKiJA7kG2BQA4uywrzjyz7lpRS0OZDpjEi8lspOKYUA7P_QsODsDew_8nbH960G55fmY=@protonmail.com> <97DA7804-F647-4A1D-B8E0-AFFE7A324C64@gmail.com> <87d07xamrg.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <878silajdl.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87tv18pyh4.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83zhaih0oz.fsf@gnu.org> <83pnbegsvm.fsf@gnu.org> <83imh5hby1.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="98987"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 To: emacs-devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 09 13:50:48 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jXO0F-000PfR-VU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 13:50:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54532 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXO0E-0003L5-H5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 07:50:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58700) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXNzg-0002gV-9n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 07:50:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:35962) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXNze-0007gv-EL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 07:50:11 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61D0E70F8 for ; Sat, 9 May 2020 13:50:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LMOSpmex9QoT for ; Sat, 9 May 2020 13:49:58 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (jeden09-dwa27.echostar.pl [213.156.109.227]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EBAE9E6676 for ; Sat, 9 May 2020 13:49:57 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=195.110.48.8; envelope-from=mbork@mbork.pl; helo=mail.mojserwer.eu X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/09 07:29:22 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249407 Archived-At: On 2020-05-09, at 11:48, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora wrote: > Finally, above practical aspects, assigning copyright is declaring > support for an idea larger than the FSF itself. It's a political > declaration. Could someone officially confirm or deny the above paragraph? If that is indeed so, I might consider withdrawing my assignment. While I do agree with FSF goals in some part, I never treated the copyright assignment as a "political declaration", and if this is indeed the case, I feel quite cheated. When I assigned the copyright, nobody told me anything about any "political declaration" stuff. I was a bit hesitant to sign the agreement, precisely because I was afraid it might be understood as a "political declaration", and finally deciding that it is more of a legal technicality and yet another rms'/FSF's weirdness. To be clear: I am quite supportive of the idea of free software, and I have quite a few reasons to agree with and even admire rms (and some other reasons to firmly refute some of his views, which I consider morally wrong, even evil maybe, and very harmful), but I e.g. do not consider non-free software to be morally wrong. I also agree with many critical views on big corporations stealing our privacy, and imposing new meanings on some words (the word "Orwellian" comes to mind). I personally try to avoid giving away too much of my privacy - I use Privavy Badger, I seldom google but use DuckDuckGo on a daily basis, I almost never pay with a debit card (I made an exception because of the covid-19 lunacy we have now) and I do not even have a credit card, but I am not paranoid about it, and I do own an Android phone, an Amazon Kindle and sometimes I use MS Windows (though I consider it clunky). Also, I very much agree with rms' criticism for using some words (like "intellectual property" or "piracy"), but consider his insistence on using expressions like "Kindle Swindle" childish and even slightly pathetic. (Just a short summary of my views on free software, FSF and rms.) So, if someone treats my signature of the copyright assignment as a "political declaration" of support to FSF's or rms' views, I would like to make it absolutely clear that this is not the case. TIA, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl