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From: Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org>
To: Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org>
Cc: "Michał \\\"phoe\\\" Herda" <phoe@disroot.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Why :USE sucks in the Common Lisp package system
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 08:46:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o8qws2w7.fsf@linux-m68k.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xjfsgg8elqb.fsf@sdf.org> (Andrea Corallo's message of "Sat, 09 May 2020 16:23:40 -0700")

On Mai 09 2020, Andrea Corallo wrote:

> "Michał \"phoe\" Herda" <phoe@disroot.org> writes:
>
>> While I'm no emacs programmer (this is my first post here!), I think
>> that a package system with PLNs could work for elisp as a tool for
>> symbol namespacing, as long as it is clear that elisp programmers know
>> not to repeat the mistake from the CL ecosystem and only use :USE for
>> packages that either do not change (in our case, it's the COMMON-LISP
>> package), or a package that changes but is the only used package (and
>> therefore has nothing to conflict with), or a combination of packages
>> that do not change and we have full control over so we can manually see
>> and resolve the symbol conflicts as they arise. And then, we locally
>> nickname everything, e.g. importing ALEXANDRIA as A, FLEXI-STREAMS as F,
>> BORDEAUX-THREADS as BT or just T, and write our code that way.
>>
>> BR
>> Michał "phoe" Herda
>
> Hi Michał,
>
> Nice to read you here!
>
> From your write to me sounds that the real trouble with :USE is that
> namespace versioning is missing.  Very interesting.

In python or perl, you can control which identifiers to import from a
module into the current namespace.

Andreas.

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-10  6:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-04 10:52 Proper namespaces in Elisp João Távora
2020-05-04 15:11 ` Adam Porter
2020-05-04 15:38   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-04 15:49     ` João Távora
2020-05-04 16:39       ` Adam Porter
2020-05-04 16:49         ` João Távora
2020-05-04 18:00       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-04 20:19       ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-05  2:51     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-04 15:29 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-04 16:04   ` João Távora
2020-05-04 18:29     ` Helmut Eller
2020-05-04 18:39     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 19:02       ` João Távora
2020-05-04 19:20         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 19:49           ` João Távora
2020-05-04 21:59         ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-04 22:34           ` João Távora
2020-05-05 10:33             ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-05 10:54               ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-05 12:50               ` João Távora
2020-05-05 13:34                 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-05 14:03                   ` João Távora
2020-05-05 14:26                     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-05 21:20                       ` João Távora
2020-05-05 23:37                         ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-06  0:15                           ` João Távora
2020-05-06  7:07                             ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-06 19:48                               ` João Távora
2020-05-07  6:13                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-05 13:45               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-05 14:07                 ` João Távora
2020-05-05  4:55           ` Helmut Eller
2020-05-04 21:40     ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-04 22:09       ` João Távora
2020-05-05  1:09         ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-05  9:38           ` João Távora
2020-05-05 16:41             ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-05 21:29               ` João Távora
2020-05-06  3:25                 ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-06 19:38                   ` João Távora
2020-05-06 22:47                     ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-07 10:00                       ` João Távora
2020-05-07 18:30                         ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-07 19:32                           ` João Távora
2020-05-04 22:40       ` João Távora
2020-05-05  1:24         ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-04 15:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-05 15:10 ` Tom Tromey
2020-05-05 21:30   ` João Távora
2020-05-07  2:23     ` Tom Tromey
2020-05-07  3:12       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07 13:02         ` Tom Tromey
2020-05-07 13:48           ` João Távora
2020-05-07 18:17             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07 18:48               ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-07 20:33                 ` João Távora
2020-05-08  2:56                   ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-08 15:56                     ` João Távora
2020-05-08 17:59                       ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-08 18:38                         ` João Távora
2020-05-07 19:37         ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-07 20:28           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07 20:42             ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-07 21:06               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07 21:10                 ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-07 21:46                   ` João Távora
2020-05-07 21:56                     ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-07 22:12                       ` João Távora
2020-05-08 18:59               ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-08 19:34                 ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09  0:00                   ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-09  0:32                     ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09  8:37                       ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-09 16:11                         ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09 17:25                           ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-09 17:45                             ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09 18:23                               ` João Távora
2020-05-09 18:32                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09 18:35                                   ` João Távora
2020-05-09 18:39                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09 19:11                                       ` João Távora
2020-05-09 18:30                               ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-09 18:33                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09 18:48                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-09 20:34                                     ` Why :USE sucks in the Common Lisp package system Michał "phoe" Herda
2020-05-09 21:47                                       ` João Távora
2020-05-09 21:55                                         ` Michał "phoe" Herda
2020-05-09 22:01                                           ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09 22:07                                             ` Michał "phoe" Herda
2020-05-09 22:12                                           ` João Távora
2020-05-10 10:10                                             ` Michał "phoe" Herda
2020-05-09 23:23                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-10  6:46                                         ` Andreas Schwab [this message]
2020-05-10  8:53                                           ` Helmut Eller
2020-05-10  9:59                                             ` Michał "phoe" Herda
2020-05-10  1:19                       ` Proper namespaces in Elisp Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-08 23:07                 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-08 23:23                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-09  8:12                     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-09 12:06             ` Tuấn-Anh Nguyễn

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