From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:14:38 +0100 Message-ID: <87o8ivumn5.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <87o8iv3ac3.fsf@gnus.org> <877dpjp30g.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87zh2fnmwq.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1960"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Qj4SQxiMPHX97MuGgSZq5LdtN+s= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 15 16:18:27 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpC5r-0000Oq-EZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:18:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51264 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpC5q-0005rY-HN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 10:18:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49216) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpC2J-0002xA-0L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 10:14:47 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:36188) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpC2H-0001O2-8I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 10:14:46 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpC2E-0006MP-Ht for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:14:42 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260871 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Eric S Fraga writes: > >> They are easy enough to disable and provide help for the true >> neophyte. > > We have no data to support that. > >> In fact, learning how to disable the toolbar is probably a >> good first exercise in customizing your Emacs! > > I don't think that's a good argument for having a GUI element that few > people like, We have no data to support that. > and which may well be discouraging people from using Emacs > at all (because it looks useless and out of touch). We have no data to support that. ;-)