From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Brooks Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 23:11:24 -0800 Message-ID: <87o8ipostf.fsf@db48x.net> References: <87o8iv3ac3.fsf@gnus.org> <56d1484e-6f41-575f-0fbb-fd2bd99ab152@yandex.ru> <87eejqnlxk.fsf@gnus.org> <875z52nlqa.fsf@gnus.org> <87lfdvjvx3.fsf@gnus.org> <87sg81pkxb.fsf@db48x.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1793"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 20 08:12:16 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kqst6-0000LT-Dq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 08:12:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35468 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kqst5-0004mM-Gy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 02:12:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50888) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kqssM-0004NP-7c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 02:11:30 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp-out-4.mxes.net ([198.205.123.69]:40008) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kqssK-0004a9-9S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 02:11:30 -0500 Original-Received: from Customer-MUA (mua.mxes.net [10.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F3484759C0; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 02:11:25 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mxes.net; s=mta; t=1608448286; bh=Pi8opFCasMQLMkUBOmn00hsIDVYGiatZXltrtUnwrrk=; h=From:To:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ER5JDvv2qYZyYk24Cbx+7KZ09BwwQHV8o133CbHUESefPixiAHshmzJCRK2Shynqg aX+xh+SRsVtOO9PViCz8ClquOsxYFujiEAJQsdVTFzbEmsIlP9x5y6BAtfKnS0tTTk jWVkZdUVjI3nsODF8+hvETWuR5MFveRbx6irptlE= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGOfPtRkwAAABJQ TFRFpKfbdou67PD6JjJgAwUWXGSeIcyLHgAAAkZJREFUOI1VU8Fy6yAMxLi+Q13fCZ3cnQL3dqTc 7RD+/1feStDXVnXHDuvVSivZTMba2GPdw3gyCGcMAFxTyrTd9dwGoxHiZX9PmRFUHYAQlGGtXY+F Uk0SJOxgJiUEnH1qkitT9D+pQub7qGAmUbR6bu3CvI96Yv6QqkBBMrsyfZccr1/RDXGDTLf4P7ZY glVxe2V+/ACXWO1gvDO9/gDRpFFVmPluvLcmBjd5H6d8DEte+Pbk4rcY/Fa5tLKLOtCZsuQKYhpa LOkYDT7hESya7/WIET3lfQBqX0pwFtbI832Is0ayMUR9B+12xjgPCQ089cfwkCkX6L5TPmRelJTh zMS0Sz1PyjLAMCUWjcmgQLWQMds+e3aaauZDf9dU9A2/8kPVF2odCUoMKHkfjJR+mbgC+DRiycw5 3XSqGe6HmhN/AWjHypkAXOAFW5EiuA1ge2GiZuMb0s1fSEXcATeLUfbyEY2L8yPOmdSsdghQXx3K pz2eoeXuYvMCINVFDrCdNfVUp4eJ6cSEbjbgFjBEvonGGTrgv9cHjAc8aVgSAPoxaONbzfwhDIhR at7IIS7fAGiDSwIA9alhhTBzfA7YM2FY6eMwayrIGK8FDFmshmUA43WqhFtpvoqG9HHaJ7fqtgTz 8EWVkgZgtsylFliHDgk0MB7KAEC45C/rgnGvanNLXyzOeTzcT2nw/N44gfrtYXRQLoz9Q3TgmJRx 2Mx/Q51qzpm+l3m8z2SWBqC5+PZXAtNYlGFf/gKfHfjFkDT4x7od7R+w3Ls+ZdQBuQAAAABJRU5E rkJggg== In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 20 Dec 2020 01:39:45 -0500") X-Sent-To: Received-SPF: none client-ip=198.205.123.69; envelope-from=db48x@db48x.net; helo=smtp-out-4.mxes.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261312 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > > You can view it locally using Jupyter Notebook, which is a bit like > > Maxima or Macsyma but with Python instead of Lisp, and uses the Modif= ied > > BSD license. > > That might be a solution I pesonally could use -- if I understood how > to do it -- but there is more at stake than my seeing those graphs. > Much more. > It is not a good state of affairs for this information to direct people > to run a nonfree program, and worse yet, that it happens in connection > with Emacs. > > Would someone who is skilled at > interpersonal relationships like to ask Dick Mao politely to make that JS > code free, or convert the information to a directly readable format >> and post that, or delete the JS and give a recipe for viewing the > graphs using Jupyter Notebook, or some other adequate solution? There's no JS for any of us to delete or to make free. GitHub renders the notebook using the same Jupyter Notebook software that I recommend using to view it with, so that's not a problem. It's just GitHub's own JS that isn't free software. Of course the graphs could be published anywhere else as well. Well, I assume that it's not difficult to get Jupyter Notebook to export a static view of the document, since GitHub does that already=E2=80=A6 Yea, i= n the Jupyter interface, select File =E2=86=92 Download As=E2=80=A6 =E2=86=92 HTM= L. That opens it in a new tab of your browser, and then you can use your browser to save it to disk. That said, I suspect that the notebook is just an intermediate representation. There's also a notebook in the repository called "Emacs User Survey 2020.ipynb" which was obviously used to generate the graphs on the official survey results webpage: https://emacssurvey.org/2020/ I don't know if there's a plan to publish Dick Mao's commentary.ipynb the same way, but it could obviously be done the same way. db48x