From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Omar Polo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why do I find ^L in elisp code? Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 17:58:02 +0200 Message-ID: <87o8d2squt.fsf@omarpolo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17659"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.4.15; emacs 28.0.50 Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, arthur miller To: Christopher Dimech Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 22 17:58:47 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lkU1X-0004Ld-93 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 17:58:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39636 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkU1W-0004m9-C3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 11:58:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52010) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkU0u-0004lr-C7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 11:58:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.omarpolo.com ([144.91.116.244]:58563) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkU0s-00068c-2v for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 11:58:07 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=omarpolo.com; s=20200327; t=1621699083; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=8b/VSG9GYKh6H8Tcj92Bf2CWSUJ9BGZWRQGf7iEQA0M=; b=mBkckIvlASpaObXXE0e1pPtkkdxHpEVmEsK5TNgBmgnu4J+2/mNBobFeYBy9elGuL74R0L HxSMqeH9RNqhsxp1dukqxLqV4wDPBcwPzBG8rzDcc1FczoFUjZqDpqB+C8Ytzc9FhHfhRa iwWR0GBXsaL0yGu+4EmoW7XKNoBxAUA= Original-Received: from localhost ( [87.13.101.227]) by mail.omarpolo.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 8d4ef7c3 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Sat, 22 May 2021 17:58:03 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from venera (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 88c7f86e; Sat, 22 May 2021 17:58:02 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=144.91.116.244; envelope-from=op@omarpolo.com; helo=mail.omarpolo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130063 Archived-At: Christopher Dimech writes: > Is it still useful in new code?=20 > > The Form Feed is hard to type. Most text editors do not provide easy way= s to type it. > Could emacs cease using invisible glyphs as they could be are confusing a= nd hard to read > and type? Sometimes I see an ASCII art box. > > Regards > Christopher I'm not an emacs dev, but I find the form feed handy. Emacs (what other editors do shouldn't be too much important, should we drop elisp too since no other editors has a lisp core? :P) has some really handy functions to handle pages, I encourage you to try to use them sometimes. It's not really hard to type, just a C-q C-l, and, at least here on emacs on x11, it's rendered as '^L'. I've seen tricks to render it as an horizontal rule. >> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 3:30 AM >> From: "arthur miller" >> To: "2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com" <2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder= .com>, "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" >> Subject: RE: Why do I find ^L in elisp code? >> >> If you are going to contribute a patch, don't remove them. I Was told .= ... =F0=9F=98=80 >>=20 >>=20 >> -------- Originalmeddelande -------- >> Fr=C3=A5n: 2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com >> Datum: 2021-05-22 17:23 (GMT+01:00) >> Till: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org >> =C3=84mne: Re: Why do I find ^L in elisp code? >>=20 >> On 2021-05-22 at 16:53:33 +0200, >> Christopher Dimech wrote: >>=20 >> > Why do I find ^L in elisp code? >>=20 >> Printers interpret U+000C FORM FEED as, well, a form feed, aka a page >> break. In the days of paper printers, it was a way to force the printer >> to start a new page. Yes, much existing elisp is that old. >>=20 >>