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From: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Contradictiory directions
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 13:44:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o85i3um7.fsf@telefonica.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87fsquqhcn.fsf@yahoo.com

Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> writes:

> Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es> writes:
>
>>> Then as RMS said, we should remove the feature wholesale, until a
>>> solution is found.
>
>> My point is that if the symbol trick is considered an acceptable
>> solution
>
> My understanding is that the symbol trick is considered acceptable
> because it will be more likely to hold up in court to mean that whoever
> wrote the non-free module fully understood that it had to be compatible
> with the GPL.

So someone at the FSF thought that creating a module, which requires
studying, understanding and complying with a bunch of technical
requisites mandated by the host application (Emacs or Gcc), could open
the possibility of a credible "I didn't care to read the license", but
using a GPL'ed library, that often requires less technical effort, is
not equally impacted by the same risk :-/

> But apparently SQLite modules, even those intended for use with Emacs,
> are not legally required to comply with the GPL, so that is out of the
> question here.

Nothing is legally required to comply with the GPL. The FSF does not
dictate law, it uses a license and hopes for the best.

The scenario of someone sneaking in a non-free SQLite extension against
the user's wishes is a bit far-fetched, to say the least. So we are
wasting a lot of energy worrying about how to effectively inconvenience
our users for "protecting" them from an unlikely event no matter how
much limitations are imposed on the feature being discussed. I thought
that the gcc/llvm debacle would be understood at this point.




  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-15 12:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20211211035614.15517.53830@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <20211211035616.984DD20A0A@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2021-12-11  4:17   ` master 3d38d1d: Add sqlite3 support to Emacs Stefan Kangas
2021-12-11  5:00     ` Po Lu
2021-12-11  5:29       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-11  6:56         ` Po Lu
2021-12-11  7:14           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-11  7:04       ` Po Lu
2021-12-11  8:50         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-11  9:20           ` Po Lu
2021-12-11 11:09             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-11 12:36             ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-11 12:49               ` Po Lu
2021-12-11 12:57                 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-11 13:29                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-11 13:45                     ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-11 13:51                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-11 13:55                     ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-11 16:47                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-11 14:26             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-12  3:59             ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-12  4:46               ` Po Lu
2021-12-13  3:44                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-13  4:01                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14  4:12                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-14  4:36                       ` Po Lu
2021-12-14  7:23                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14  7:40                           ` Po Lu
2021-12-14  8:30                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14  9:16                               ` Po Lu
2021-12-14 10:27                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14 13:12                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-14 13:15                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14 13:38                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-14 23:41                                         ` Andy Moreton
2021-12-15 14:53                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-15  5:15                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15  7:07                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15  7:17                                 ` Contradictiory directions (Was: Re: master 3d38d1d: Add sqlite3 support to Emacs) Po Lu
2021-12-15  7:23                                   ` Contradictiory directions Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15  7:36                                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-15  7:41                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15  7:48                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-15  7:52                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15  7:59                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-15  8:04                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15  8:13                                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15  9:16                                                   ` tomas
2021-12-15  9:49                                                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-15  9:59                                                       ` tomas
2021-12-15 10:06                                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 12:25                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-15 12:31                                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 13:52                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-16 17:45                                                       ` Stephen Leake
2021-12-19  8:30                                                         ` tomas
2021-12-20  4:43                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15  9:17                                                   ` Lele Gaifax
2021-12-15 12:39                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-16  4:40                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16  4:40                                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 15:15                                     ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-16  4:41                                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16  4:44                                       ` Po Lu
2021-12-16  8:25                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 13:39                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2021-12-16 14:02                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 14:10                                           ` Andrea Corallo
2021-12-15 10:14                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-15 10:24                                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 10:32                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-15 10:42                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 12:44                                           ` Óscar Fuentes [this message]
2021-12-15 13:04                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 14:33                                               ` dick
2021-12-15 14:54                                               ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-17  4:23                                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 14:54                                             ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-15 18:04                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-16  5:12                                                 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-16  4:40                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 13:51                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-15 13:56                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 15:11                                     ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-15 18:28                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-15 19:55                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-15 21:15                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-16  7:13                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16  9:41                                               ` tomas
2021-12-16 10:09                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 11:34                                                   ` tomas
2021-12-16 14:18                                                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-16 15:14                                                   ` tomas
2021-12-16 11:01                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-16 11:08                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 11:22                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-17  4:24                                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16  5:15                                         ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-15 13:36                                   ` Contradictiory directions (Was: Re: master 3d38d1d: Add sqlite3 support to Emacs) Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-15 14:34                                   ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-15 15:02                                     ` tomas
2021-12-15  7:26                               ` master 3d38d1d: Add sqlite3 support to Emacs Po Lu
2021-12-16  4:41                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16  8:33                                   ` tomas
2021-12-15 14:22                               ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-16  4:40                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-13 22:35                   ` Andy Moreton
2021-12-15  5:14                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15  7:10                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-16  4:41                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16  5:52                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-17  4:25                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-19  4:57                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-19  7:24                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16  9:33                           ` tomas
2021-12-12  5:07               ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-12  5:17                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-12  5:20                   ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-13  3:44                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-13  5:30                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-13  5:36                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-13  6:01                       ` Po Lu
2021-12-13  8:30                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-12 12:17               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-12  4:00         ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-12  4:00         ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-12  4:48           ` Po Lu
2021-12-11  5:26     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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