From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
To: Noah Friedman <noah@splode.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: recent change to yanking behavior of the clipboard
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2022 15:37:53 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o83kphri.fsf@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220205193944.836651.FMU2130669@unexploded-cow.prv.splode.com> (Noah Friedman's message of "Sat, 05 Feb 2022 19:39:44 -0800 (PST)")
Noah Friedman <noah@splode.com> writes:
> This change in master:
>
> 2022-02-01 10:13:15 +0800 Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> 99c637499e
>
> Only apply last change to the clipboard
>
> * lisp/select.el (gui--selection-value-internal): Only return
> nil if we own the clipboard.
>
> Means that yanking never pastes the clipboard if I've programmatically set
> the clipboard selection (which I do for both emacs and the sake of other
> program windows that use it)
If you assert ownership of CLIPBOARD from another program, then
`gui-selection-value' (which is the interprogram-paste-function) will
not return nil. If not, that program is buggy and should be fixed.
Unless you are setting the clipboard inside Emacs via `x-set-selection',
in which case see below:
> But, curiously, you didn't make this change for the primary selection.
Because, typically, Emacs does not keep a local ring for text stored
into the primary selection. `select-enable-primary' is a violation of
the XDG clipboard spec, and is unlikely to be used by many people, so I
didn't enable that code there.
> That means when I yank, I don't get the thing I've most recently copied to
> the clipboard. I get some old thing from the primary selection.
>
> I don't understand how this new behavior is meant to be useful.
It is meant to be useful by providing a visible performance improvement
when Emacs is run over a network with moderate latency, by not querying
the X server for the value of CLIPBOARD when text was last killed inside
Emacs. And yes, that is what motivated me to install that change.
> It's broken, and I am not exaggerating, somewhere around 30 years of
> muscle reflexes.
Why can't you save the clipboard contents into the kill ring as well?
> Please revert this.
We can provide a knob to turn that new behaviour off, but I'm not giving
up such a visible performance increase in yanking text when Emacs is
forwarded over a remote connection.
> Not every item that goes to the clipboard comes from a buffer kill or
> copy action. Not everything emacs "owns" is already in the kill-ring.
No, and neither should C-y yank any text not in the kill ring (or from
an interprogram paste, and text Lisp code saves into the kill ring is
not "interprogram".)
Thanks.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-02-06 7:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-02-06 3:39 recent change to yanking behavior of the clipboard Noah Friedman
2022-02-06 7:37 ` Po Lu [this message]
2022-02-06 9:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-06 9:34 ` Po Lu
2022-02-06 10:18 ` Po Lu
2022-02-06 16:09 ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-02-07 1:11 ` Po Lu
2022-02-07 2:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-02-07 2:59 ` Po Lu
2022-02-07 5:04 ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-02-07 5:17 ` Yuri Khan
2022-02-07 5:23 ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-02-07 5:31 ` Po Lu
2022-02-06 22:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-02-07 1:12 ` Po Lu
2022-02-07 2:53 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-02-07 3:11 ` Po Lu
2022-02-07 3:41 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-02-07 3:48 ` Po Lu
2022-02-07 4:05 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-02-07 4:44 ` Po Lu
2022-02-07 4:57 ` Corwin Brust
2022-02-07 5:29 ` Po Lu
2022-02-07 5:47 ` Corwin Brust
2022-02-07 5:52 ` tomas
2022-02-07 6:43 ` Po Lu
2022-02-07 6:57 ` tomas
2022-02-07 13:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-07 13:18 ` Po Lu
2022-02-07 12:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-07 12:56 ` Po Lu
2022-02-07 13:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-07 13:17 ` Po Lu
2022-02-07 13:50 ` Don't change `select-enable-primary` (was: recent change to yanking behavior of the clipboard) Stefan Monnier
2022-02-07 13:55 ` Don't change `select-enable-primary` Po Lu
2022-02-07 1:11 ` recent change to yanking behavior of the clipboard Tim Cross
2022-02-07 2:31 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2022-02-06 9:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-02-06 11:07 xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-02-06 11:21 ` Po Lu
2022-02-06 11:37 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-02-06 11:47 ` Po Lu
2022-02-06 11:55 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-02-06 12:01 ` Po Lu
2022-02-06 12:06 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-02-06 12:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-06 12:15 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-02-06 12:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-06 12:15 ` tomas
2022-02-06 12:20 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-02-06 15:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-07 1:18 ` Po Lu
2022-02-07 13:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-07 13:15 ` Po Lu
2022-02-07 19:47 ` James Cloos
2022-02-07 19:53 ` tomas
2022-02-06 15:17 ` Stefan Monnier
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