From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: lamers on IRC Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 23:42:51 +0200 Message-ID: <87o7zox6w4.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <87wnedb6xe.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16984"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:En6OqBCqC5vy5FHqN6JjL68igyE= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 23 23:43:58 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ntFqI-0004A2-Gm for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 23:43:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60806 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ntFqH-0003Gr-Fd for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 17:43:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53544) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ntFpP-0003FW-GA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 17:43:03 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:37634) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ntFpN-0005Vz-QC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 17:43:03 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ntFpK-00031G-PC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 23:42:58 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137372 Archived-At: Jean Louis wrote: >> One problem with IRC is the presence of lamers, luckily >> this problem can be solved easily with technology starting >> with the IRC client. Today I learned how to do this with my >> client, ERC: > > Emacs channel for years has no moderators who moderate by > common sense and police the channel for good behavior, there > are no special rules, and those policies displayed like to > avoid discrimination and asshatery will be quickly broken by > those few dominating over larger group of people there [...] But actually I think that's good, you just configure your own clients do do that for you. I.e., everyone has or can have his own rules, but no one is forced to live by everyone's rules. The problem with "everyone's rules" is that if the web cops are not sensible, they'll impose their behavior ... and who is to say if they are or are not BTW? The person kicked out will always think they are not anyway, so at the very least the system is imperfect. And there isn't a solution - web cops for the web cops? But then - etc. And if that is the problem with the web cop solution in general, the practical problem is that what people are attracted to that role - and why. But actually, the reason I wrote that post was ... ah, whatever :) -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal