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From: Gregor Zattler <telegraph@gmx.net>
To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Adding a "quick-help" menu
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 14:09:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o7ve19uc.fsf@no.workgroup> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mtaz44ka.fsf@posteo.net>

Hi Philip, emacs developers,
* Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net> [2022-09-16; 17:22 GMT]:
> Yes, but just like there is a difference between auto-completion and
> tab-completion, there is a difference to be considered here.

for me the main difference to all other help facilities is,
that there is zero cognitive burden: It only pops up when I
hit a prefix key and then don't know what to do.

It specifically shows help to this prefix key, I do not have
to move the mouse, I do not have to look for a symbol to
click or a menu entry which might be related.

I do not have to know how to bury or kill it, it does not
litter my buffer list with jet another buried buffer, it
does not permanently change my window configuration.

I think these are great features especially for newbies.

> Again, I don't think there is anything in Emacs by default that relies
> on non-input the way which-key does.  One reason I dislike this is
> because I've seen how some people use `which-key-mode' in person, just
> waiting for the menu to (fragile) pop up, to skim through the columns to
> find what they are looking for.  By comparison, I think that C-h and
> isearch/occur/etc. is more idiomatic.

But much more involved to use and they leave traces as
which-key does not.

> That being said, my proposal is much more modest, and has more to do
> with Nano's default help bar at the bottom of the screen.

My praise of which-key is in no way directed against your
proposal of a screen full of essential functions.


Ciao; Gregor
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  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-17 12:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-16 15:43 Adding a "quick-help" menu Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-16 16:11 ` Sean Whitton
2022-09-16 16:24 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-09-16 16:48   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-16 17:03     ` Sławomir Grochowski
2022-09-16 17:22       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-17 12:09         ` Gregor Zattler [this message]
2022-09-17 14:44           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-17 17:48             ` Stefan Kangas
2022-09-17 21:45               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-18  0:05                 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-09-18  5:41                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-18  9:10                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-18  5:07             ` Visuwesh
2022-09-18  7:51             ` Gregor Zattler
2022-09-17 14:53           ` which-key (was: Adding a "quick-help" menu) Stefan Monnier
2022-09-18  5:12             ` which-key Visuwesh
2022-09-18  8:56               ` which-key Gregory Heytings
2022-09-18  8:58             ` which-key (was: Adding a "quick-help" menu) Gregory Heytings
2022-09-18  9:19               ` which-key Po Lu
2022-09-18  9:53                 ` which-key Gregory Heytings
2022-09-18 10:10                   ` which-key Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-18 13:51                     ` which-key Stefan Monnier
2022-09-18 15:39                       ` which-key Stefan Kangas
2022-09-18 16:43                         ` which-key Gregor Zattler
2022-09-18 16:49                       ` which-key Gregory Heytings
2022-09-19  8:08                         ` which-key Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-19  8:19                           ` which-key Gregory Heytings
2022-09-19 13:26                             ` which-key Corwin Brust
2022-09-19 23:43                               ` which-key Emanuel Berg
2022-09-19  8:06                       ` which-key Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-19  9:08                         ` which-key Stefan Kangas
2022-09-18 11:09                   ` which-key Po Lu
2022-09-17 16:47           ` [External] : Re: Adding a "quick-help" menu Drew Adams
2022-09-16 17:11     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-09-16 17:29       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-16 17:38         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-09-16 17:36       ` Drew Adams
2022-09-16 18:00       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-17  1:56       ` Po Lu
2022-09-16 21:03 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-17 14:53   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-17  1:54 ` Po Lu
2022-09-17  2:51   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-09-17  3:28     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-17  4:01       ` Visuwesh
2022-09-17  4:50       ` Po Lu
2022-09-17  4:48     ` Po Lu
2022-09-17  6:38       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-09-17  8:24         ` Po Lu
2022-09-17  8:49   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-17 16:45     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-09-17 17:36       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-18 10:11 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-18 10:53   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-18 17:03     ` Bob Rogers
2022-09-18 17:53       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-18 19:25         ` Bob Rogers
2022-09-18 20:38         ` wilnerthomas--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-09-18 21:21           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-18 22:45             ` Christopher Dimech
2022-09-18 23:00               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-19  1:40                 ` Christopher Dimech
2022-09-19  7:54     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-19  8:26       ` Po Lu
2022-09-19  9:08         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-09-19  9:08     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-09-19 10:12       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-13 14:30         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-13 19:09           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-13 20:21             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-14 11:03               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-14  7:30             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-14 11:08               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-14 18:10                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-16  0:29             ` Howard Melman
2022-10-16 16:01               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-16 16:13                 ` Howard Melman
2022-10-16 22:44                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-17  1:00                     ` Howard Melman
2022-10-17  1:00                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-10-17  6:17                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-17  6:29                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-17  7:00                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-17  7:12                         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-17 15:32                           ` Howard Melman
2022-10-17  5:10         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-17  6:31           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-20  5:58             ` Protesilaos Stavrou
2022-10-20  6:37               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-20 11:27                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-20 12:51                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-20 16:37                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-20 16:39                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-19 15:21     ` Howard Melman

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