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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: Jack Kamm <jackkamm@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr
Subject: Re: [RFC] ox-icalendar: Unscheduled tasks & repeating tasks
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 18:46:45 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o7nql2sq.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fs92bdvf.fsf@gmail.com>

Jack Kamm <jackkamm@gmail.com> writes:

> Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:
>
>> Another scenario we may need to consider is when schedule has a repeater
>> while deadline does not, and vice versa. The former scenario is probably
>> valid - a VTODO with limited number of occurrences.
>
> That is an interesting idea; and we can use the UNTIL or COUNT keywords
> in RRULE to implement it.
>
> However, it doesn't seem completely faithful to the way the TODO ends up
> in the Org Agenda (or does Org have some option to use DEADLINE to bound
> a repeating SCHEDULED in this way?)

DUE in iCalendar and DEADLINE in Org are not exactly the same. So, of
course, there is a room for ambiguity.

The question is: does iCalendar allow something like

DTSTART;TZID=America/New_York:19970105T083000
RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY
DUE;TZID=America/New_York:20070105T083000

and repeats past DUE?

If not, we have to choose when exporting from Org source - either to
keep DUE or not.

> I think the most faithful way to represent different SCHEDULED and
> DEADLINE repeaters is to export 2 separate VTODOs, each with different
> RRULE. Then the exported iCalendar will look just like the Org
> Agenda. It is also in line with how ox-icalendar exports multiple
> timestamps to separate VEVENTs.

If we want to leave as many options as possible to the users, we can (1)
Implement ICALENAR_DUE property that will set DUE explicitly on export;
(2) ICALENDAR_DUE may allow special values that will indicate how to
treat Org DEADLINEs - make them into DUE, use Org DEADLINE as a
bound for SCHEDULED repeater, or ignore DEADLINE completely.

> That said, I am not really happy with this solution either. The fact
> that ox-icalendar can create multiple VEVENT per entry already creates
> headaches for any setup doing bidirectional sync between Org and
> iCalendar, such as with org-caldav, ical2org.awk, or ical2orgpy. And I
> am hesitant to make this problem worse, by making it happen for VTODO as
> well.

Is there any reason for this? May we instead export to a single VEVENT
with appropriate RDATE list?

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-14 18:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-26 18:56 [RFC] ox-icalendar: Unscheduled tasks & repeating tasks Jack Kamm
2023-03-27 11:59 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-31  5:55   ` Jack Kamm
2023-03-31 13:07     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-31 15:50       ` Jack Kamm
2023-03-31 17:51         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-31 22:20           ` Jack Kamm
2023-04-01  8:30             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-02  0:47               ` Jack Kamm
2023-04-02  8:48                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-02 15:34                   ` Jack Kamm
2023-04-02 16:32                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-14 16:57   ` Jack Kamm
2023-04-14 18:46     ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2023-04-15  3:13       ` Jack Kamm
2023-04-15  9:56         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-16 17:19           ` Jack Kamm
2023-06-11 15:35   ` [PATCH] " Jack Kamm
2023-06-12 10:36     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-06-17 17:32       ` Jack Kamm
2023-06-18 11:28         ` Ihor Radchenko

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