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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: ahyatt@gmail.com, jporterbugs@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:26:40 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o7j04x8f.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1qXtSc-0003UY-2m@fencepost.gnu.org>

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> Could you please tell me what conclusions or ideas that discussion
> reached?

Among other things, we have discussed Oracle SQL support in sql.el:

https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/E1pKtph-00082q-4Z@fencepost.gnu.org/
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> ...
>   > The 'support' is essentially specialised comint based interfaces tweaked
>   > to work with the various SQL database engine command line clients such
>   > as psql for Postgres and sqlplus for Oracle. This involves codes to use
>   > the comint buffer to send commands/regions to the SQL client and read
>   > back the results and run interactive 'repl' like sessions with the
>   > client.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Based on our general policies, it is ok to do this.  It is ok for
> Postgres because that is free software.  It is ok for Oracle because
> that is widely known.

Another relevant bit is related to the fact the Oracle SQL, through its
free CLI, may actually connect to SaaS server.

https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/E1pKtpq-00086w-9s@fencepost.gnu.org/
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> ...
>   > I am not sure about SaaSS - even postgresql (free software) may be used
>   > as a service provider by running it on server the user does not control.
>
> For sure, it CAN be used that way.  If a Lisp package is designed to
> work with a subprocess, a user can certainly rig it to talk with a
> remote server.  It is the nature of free software that people can
> customize it, even so as to do something foolish with it.  When a user
> does this, it's per responsibility, not ours.
>
> We should not distribute specific support or recommendations to use
> the Lisp package in that particular way.

I also suggested the following, although did not yet find time open
discussion on emacs-devel:

https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87k015e80p.fsf@localhost/
Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:

> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
>
>>   > Would it then make sense to note the reasons why we support one or
>>   > another non-free software in a separate file like etc/NON-FREE-SUPPORT?
>>
>> I think it is a good idea to document the reasoning for these
>> decision.  But I think it does not necessarily have to be centralized
>> in one file for all of Emacs.  Another alternative, also natural,
>> would be to describe these decisions with the code that implements the
>> support.
>
> Will file header be a good place?
>
> Note that there is little point adding the reasons behind supporting
> non-free software if they cannot be easily found. Ideally, it should be
> a standard place documented as code convention. Then, people can
> consistently check the reasons (or lack of) behind each individual
> non-free software support decision.

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-21  8:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-07 23:54 [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-08  5:42 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-08 15:08   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-08-08 15:09   ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-09  3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-09  4:37   ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-13  1:43     ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-13  1:43     ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-13  2:11       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-15  5:14       ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-15 17:12         ` Jim Porter
2023-08-17  2:02           ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-17  2:48             ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-19  1:51               ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-19  9:08                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21  1:12                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-21  8:26                     ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2023-08-17 17:08             ` Daniel Fleischer
2023-08-19  1:49               ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-19  8:15                 ` Daniel Fleischer
2023-08-21  1:12                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-21  4:48               ` Jim Porter
2023-08-21  5:12                 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-21  6:03                   ` Jim Porter
2023-08-21  6:36                 ` Daniel Fleischer
2023-08-22  1:06                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-16  2:30         ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-16  5:11           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-08-18  2:10             ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-27  1:07       ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-27 13:11         ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-28  1:31           ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-28  2:32             ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-28  2:59               ` Jim Porter
2023-08-28  4:54                 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-31  2:10                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-31  9:06                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 16:29                     ` chad
2023-09-01  9:53                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-04  1:27                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-04  1:27                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 12:25                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06 12:51                       ` Is ChatGTP SaaSS? (was: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm) Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06 16:59                         ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-09  0:37                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 22:52                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-07  7:28                           ` Lucien Cartier-Tilet
2023-09-07  7:57                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-09  0:38                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-09 10:28                           ` Collaborative training of Libre LLMs (was: Is ChatGTP SaaSS? (was: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm)) Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-09 11:19                             ` Jean Louis
2023-09-10  0:22                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-10  2:18                               ` Debanjum Singh Solanky
2023-08-27 18:36         ` [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm Jim Porter
2023-08-28  0:19           ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-04  1:27           ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-04  5:18             ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-07  1:21               ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-12  4:54                 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-12  9:57                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-12 15:05                   ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-19 16:26                     ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-19 16:34                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-19 18:19                         ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-04  1:27         ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-09  3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-09  4:06   ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-12  2:44     ` Richard Stallman

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