From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: ahyatt@gmail.com, jporterbugs@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:26:40 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o7j04x8f.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1qXtSc-0003UY-2m@fencepost.gnu.org>
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> Could you please tell me what conclusions or ideas that discussion
> reached?
Among other things, we have discussed Oracle SQL support in sql.el:
https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/E1pKtph-00082q-4Z@fencepost.gnu.org/
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> ...
> > The 'support' is essentially specialised comint based interfaces tweaked
> > to work with the various SQL database engine command line clients such
> > as psql for Postgres and sqlplus for Oracle. This involves codes to use
> > the comint buffer to send commands/regions to the SQL client and read
> > back the results and run interactive 'repl' like sessions with the
> > client.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Based on our general policies, it is ok to do this. It is ok for
> Postgres because that is free software. It is ok for Oracle because
> that is widely known.
Another relevant bit is related to the fact the Oracle SQL, through its
free CLI, may actually connect to SaaS server.
https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/E1pKtpq-00086w-9s@fencepost.gnu.org/
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> ...
> > I am not sure about SaaSS - even postgresql (free software) may be used
> > as a service provider by running it on server the user does not control.
>
> For sure, it CAN be used that way. If a Lisp package is designed to
> work with a subprocess, a user can certainly rig it to talk with a
> remote server. It is the nature of free software that people can
> customize it, even so as to do something foolish with it. When a user
> does this, it's per responsibility, not ours.
>
> We should not distribute specific support or recommendations to use
> the Lisp package in that particular way.
I also suggested the following, although did not yet find time open
discussion on emacs-devel:
https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87k015e80p.fsf@localhost/
Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:
> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> > Would it then make sense to note the reasons why we support one or
>> > another non-free software in a separate file like etc/NON-FREE-SUPPORT?
>>
>> I think it is a good idea to document the reasoning for these
>> decision. But I think it does not necessarily have to be centralized
>> in one file for all of Emacs. Another alternative, also natural,
>> would be to describe these decisions with the code that implements the
>> support.
>
> Will file header be a good place?
>
> Note that there is little point adding the reasons behind supporting
> non-free software if they cannot be easily found. Ideally, it should be
> a standard place documented as code convention. Then, people can
> consistently check the reasons (or lack of) behind each individual
> non-free software support decision.
--
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-08-21 8:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-08-07 23:54 [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-08 5:42 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-08 15:08 ` Spencer Baugh
2023-08-08 15:09 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-09 3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-09 4:37 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-13 1:43 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-13 1:43 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-13 2:11 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-15 5:14 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-15 17:12 ` Jim Porter
2023-08-17 2:02 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-17 2:48 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-19 1:51 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-19 9:08 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 1:12 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-21 8:26 ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2023-08-17 17:08 ` Daniel Fleischer
2023-08-19 1:49 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-19 8:15 ` Daniel Fleischer
2023-08-21 1:12 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-21 4:48 ` Jim Porter
2023-08-21 5:12 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-21 6:03 ` Jim Porter
2023-08-21 6:36 ` Daniel Fleischer
2023-08-22 1:06 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-16 2:30 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-16 5:11 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-08-18 2:10 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-27 1:07 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-27 13:11 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-28 1:31 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-28 2:32 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-28 2:59 ` Jim Porter
2023-08-28 4:54 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-31 2:10 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-31 9:06 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 16:29 ` chad
2023-09-01 9:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-04 1:27 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-04 1:27 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 12:25 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06 12:51 ` Is ChatGTP SaaSS? (was: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm) Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06 16:59 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-09 0:37 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 22:52 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-07 7:28 ` Lucien Cartier-Tilet
2023-09-07 7:57 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-09 0:38 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-09 10:28 ` Collaborative training of Libre LLMs (was: Is ChatGTP SaaSS? (was: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm)) Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-09 11:19 ` Jean Louis
2023-09-10 0:22 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-10 2:18 ` Debanjum Singh Solanky
2023-08-27 18:36 ` [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm Jim Porter
2023-08-28 0:19 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-04 1:27 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-04 5:18 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-07 1:21 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-12 4:54 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-12 9:57 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-12 15:05 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-19 16:26 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-19 16:34 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-19 18:19 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-04 1:27 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-09 3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-09 4:06 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-12 2:44 ` Richard Stallman
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