From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Distribution statistics for ELPA and EMMS Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 16:38:08 +0000 Message-ID: <87o7hy9kzz.fsf@posteo.net> References: <875y6mzj4n.fsf@rabkins.net> <2f28dcca-3f8b-eb7b-95ec-1867c0d1eaf4@alphapapa.net> <4da4d2f6-2197-3727-674e-034c353207c5@alphapapa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25450"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, yoni@rabkins.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Adam Porter Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 19 18:38:38 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qidkE-0006OB-Gh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 18:38:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qidjq-0006mL-Eb; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 12:38:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qidjo-0006lu-SD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 12:38:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qidjn-0004zO-7U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 12:38:12 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A33C1240101 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 18:38:09 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1695141489; bh=XQa2mqSTahEZo8ydWRg/0Z5oagiPNa/OJLfxjplcfTU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=HdtZEwmGjpp1BYofFm312v1g6mtcLLe4OfjYm9xJ4CO5jDrKwAvSngY3BkYE2Pal5 gtQRT439P+Cv/8JYlbBH7bDfTMhg/6rQEpblA0X6IQFWPl888k8BfIDgxM3zjVzTFN DcWmFuwBxw9st1SnqoAPoG59LSyYkAD3vJis2srr7FtvCJFnNp+XK0Osd0zPYaHveq m5E4BEeRlZtXZWDtBgo9DaUi6+hfQ20MvR/WnhvcleG1uhx8cxmtTF+XtadCNIV/aw 42DtRq72pT90pNHY1jC4fKvJx97DfVYHaFoVLoPijKvK6lSQVrVeFZ3sllYgOb+Cxk +v0ml37viv/4Q== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4RqnQm5g65z9rxB; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 18:38:08 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <4da4d2f6-2197-3727-674e-034c353207c5@alphapapa.net> (Adam Porter's message of "Tue, 19 Sep 2023 09:49:41 -0500") Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310788 Archived-At: Adam Porter writes: > [I just noticed this message from a few months ago.] > > On 7/16/23 21:25, Richard Stallman wrote: >> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] >> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] >> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] >> We could have two options for downloading, one which is "for a real >> user" and one which is "for periodic testing". >> The only difference would be that the former increments the user >> download count and the latter does not. > > I like this idea, but it seems like it would be hard to enforce. It > could even go the other way, i.e. have Emacs send a query string or > header when installing a package manually, which could be logged and > used to filter the download logs later. But even that might be harder > than it seems, e.g. if I call a command like: > > emacs --eval "(package-install FOO)" > > ...to non-interactively install a package into a local directory for > testing, how far, and in how many places, would some kind of flag need > to be propagated to end up in the server's logs? There is an inherent unreliability in these kinds of statistics that has to be accepted. The question is therefore are issues like these significant or would they skew the results. This has to be considered under a false-positive and a false-negative approach, depending on what we want to measure. If it is all about dopamine-boosting, I think a false-positive approach would be better ;^)