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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: Orm Finnendahl <orm.finnendahl@selma.hfmdk-frankfurt.de>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: multipage html output
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2024 15:56:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o777zxkv.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZowIlS_8U1iNIKpG@orm-t14s>

Orm Finnendahl <orm.finnendahl@selma.hfmdk-frankfurt.de> writes:

>> Yes, roughly like this.  Ideally, we should simply modify
>> `org-export-as', but handling output file name may be a bit tricky -
>> it is somewhat awkwardly placed in the current ox.el API (see the
>> discussion in
>> https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/25393.61240.135445.401251@gargle.gargle.HOWL/T/#u).
>
> Today I had a look at ox.el when upgrading my code to
> 9.8-pre. Unfortunately the code (and behaviour of org-element, etc.)
> has changed quite a bit and I had to fix many things.
>
> Especially in org-export-as the parsing of the tree is now done in the
> lexical context of a copy of the buffer which makes implementing a
> multipage backend even more awkward.
>
> IMHO the code is just the wrong way around: org-export-to-file calls
> org-export-as which combines the parsing with generating the output
> string. The multipage code has to split that part and that doesn't get
> easier when both parts have to be evaluated in the context of
> org-export-with-buffer-copy. I'd rather have that turned inside out:
> Instead of org-export-as being a part of
> org-export-to-file/buffer/etc., its functionality could be at the
> top-level and then call org-export-to... appropriately (either for
> multipage output, single-page output, buffer-output...). I will handle
> it by splitting org-export-as just before the
> org-export-with-buffer-copy, but consider it a bit ugly.

Or we can make `org-export-as' retain INFO channel when returning the
output. Then, we can make `org-export-to-file' make use of the INFO
channel to decide the file name. This way, there will be no need to
decide the file name before running the parsing.

> There is something else: A lot of my energy in the multipage backend
> went into getting links and footnotes correct. Footnotes aren't a big
> deal, but I have no idea how to handle cross document links if
> different backends are present (e.g. linking from html to a pdf
> document and vice versa ;-) I think this requires quite a bit more
> thinking and maybe is unrealistic altogether, but at least the
> framework could be changed to be able to tackle that in the distant
> future...

Yes, it is an important feature we would need to implement - turning
internal links into external when they no longer point inside the same
document.

Somewhat relevant code: `org-export--update-included-link' and ox-publish.

For links to external pdfs and co, we have discussed what can be done in
https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87a5rpoi4c.fsf@localhost/
TL;DR: In latex, \href{file.pdf#anchor} works; In web, anchors should
also work with pdfjs.

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
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  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-08 15:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-03  9:44 multipage html output Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-03 10:33 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-07-03 10:58 ` Christian Moe
2024-07-03 11:05   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-03 14:34     ` Christian Moe
2024-07-04  9:50     ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-04 11:41       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-04 13:33         ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-04 16:20           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-07 19:33             ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-08 15:29               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-08 19:12                 ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-09 17:55                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-10 18:03                     ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-10 18:53                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-07 20:50             ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-08 15:05               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-08 15:41                 ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-08 15:56                   ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2024-07-08 19:18                     ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-09 18:08                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-10 19:37                         ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-11 12:35                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-13  7:44                             ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-13 10:13                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-13 11:01                                 ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-23  8:56                                 ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-23 10:24                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-23 11:35                                     ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-23 12:52                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-23 14:56                                         ` Orm Finnendahl
     [not found]                                         ` <Zp_EhDDxxYRWKFPL@orm-t14s>
     [not found]                                           ` <874j8g2lvq.fsf@localhost>
2024-07-23 15:36                                             ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-23 14:13                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
     [not found]                                         ` <Zp_b2lL2SzDswa-w@orm-t14s>
2024-07-23 17:10                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-23 20:35                                             ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-24 10:20                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-24 11:24                                                 ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-25  9:49                                                 ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-25  9:57                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-25  9:57                                                 ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-25 10:04                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-25 14:59                                                     ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-27 19:24                                                     ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-27 19:39                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-08-05 16:52                                                         ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-08-05 18:22                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-08-06  7:19                                                             ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-08-06 18:47                                                             ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-08-06 20:04                                                               ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-08-10 12:32                                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-08-11 10:54                                                                 ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-08-11 13:47                                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-08-11 14:44                                                                     ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-08-12  8:35                                                                       ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-08-12 17:10                                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-08-12 18:58                                                                           ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-08-17  7:21                                                                             ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2024-08-17 14:05                                                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-08-19 16:31                                                                               ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-08-22 12:27                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-26  8:22                                                 ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-27 13:01                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-27 14:25                                                     ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-23 14:19                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-23 15:13                                         ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-23 16:20                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-23 17:02                                             ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-23 17:13                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-23 19:00                                                 ` Orm Finnendahl
2024-07-03 21:11 ` Rudolf Adamkovič
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-07-06  5:47 Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2024-07-06  9:04 ` Orm Finnendahl

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