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From: Karthik Chikmagalur <karthikchikmagalur@gmail.com>
To: Psionic K <psionik@positron.solutions>,
	Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: charles.choi@yummymelon.com,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, emacs.transient@jonas.bernoulli.dev,
	juri@linkov.net, justin@burkett.cc, omar@matem.unam.mx,
	Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>,
	tclaesson@gmail.com, visuweshm@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 15:47:20 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o71d25fb.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADQMGARM+5J9t_apzOL+kZ2c1kz+ooA-0+aFSwjGqAFoudoKHA@mail.gmail.com>

>> intercepts the main loop
> This is optional, per transient menu (prefix) and the commands within it.
> A common technique, used by magit and others, is to have entry point
> commands in the regular keymap so that many commands can be started without
> traversing several menus.  If you want normal un-shadowed bindings active
> at the same time, the prefix has a slot called `transient-non-suffix' that
> is similar to the `:suppress' option in keymaps or setting a `t'
> `undefined' binding in a keymap.  However the results of mixing self-insert
> and modal or modal and another modal are generally bad.

From the manual page describing the `transient-non-suffix' slot:

> If the value is ‘t’, then non-suffixes can be invoked, when it is
> ‘nil’ (the default) then they cannot be invoked.
>
> The only other recommended value is ‘leave’.  If that is used, then
> non-suffixes can be invoked, but if one is invoked, then that exits the
> transient.

This is one of my issues with Transient -- here it is reimplementing the
idea of a regular transient keymap (the kind you can use with
`set-transient-map') but increasing the cognitive load of applying this
behavior.

I understand that Transient needs to implement behaviors not provided by
Elisp (like infixes), but fashioning whole-cloth replacements for
behaviors that are provided -- like the KEEP-PRED behavior of
`set-transient-map' -- makes writing Transients a very high effort
activity.

Karthik



  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-12-14 23:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-14  0:37 [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?) Psionic K
2024-12-14  9:48 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-14 10:12   ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-14 23:20 ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?) Karthik Chikmagalur
2024-12-14 23:47 ` Karthik Chikmagalur [this message]
2024-12-15  3:01   ` Psionic K
2024-12-15  9:13     ` org-speed-keys design (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)) Ihor Radchenko
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-09-14 12:36 Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu? Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-02 19:04 ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-02 19:21   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-02 21:37     ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-03  7:40       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-05 10:07         ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-09 14:08           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-10 16:33             ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-10 16:41               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-11 10:03                 ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-11 15:52                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-12  9:26                     ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-12 18:03                       ` Ihor Radchenko
     [not found]                         ` <CAO0k703a5SCv4Eaogjs-14zgmTi-pK5qqG=8VzB8+7h-kcC8yg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                           ` <87wmh8s358.fsf@localhost>
     [not found]                             ` <87y11nwp9z.fsf@gmail.com>
2024-11-17  9:30                               ` Fwd: " Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-23 16:41                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-25 17:49                                   ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-12-10 19:11                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-11 10:05                                       ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-12-13 18:41                                         ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?) Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-14  1:16                                           ` Panayotis Manganaris
2024-12-14 10:08                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-15 21:20                                               ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-16 17:54                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-17  2:08                                                   ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-17  2:24                                                     ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-18 10:47                                                     ` Jonas Bernoulli

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