From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alex Schroeder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: German tutorial fix Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 14:54:59 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <87n0uwuwkc.fsf@emacswiki.org> References: <87y9emho8s.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> <200205160722.g4G7M8X18181@aztec.santafe.edu> <3277-Thu16May2002155214+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> <200205171928.g4HJSdw20390@aztec.santafe.edu> <87znyywagx.fsf@pot.cnuce.cnr.it> <87adqyz047.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <200205190530.g4J5UNa22924@aztec.santafe.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1021812669 27573 127.0.0.1 (19 May 2002 12:51:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 179Q9V-0007Ac-00 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:51:09 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 179QMx-00087j-00 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 15:05:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 179Q9Z-0003m5-00; Sun, 19 May 2002 08:51:13 -0400 Original-Received: from relay02.cablecom.net ([62.2.33.102]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 179Q8x-0003h7-00 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 08:50:35 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.swissonline.ch (mail-4.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.85]) by relay02.cablecom.net (8.11.6/8.11.4/SOL/AWF/MXRELAY/06072001) with ESMTP id g4JCpMc58890 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:51:23 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from confusibombus (dclient217-162-232-180.hispeed.ch [217.162.232.180]) by smtp.swissonline.ch (8.11.6/8.11.6/SMTPSOL/AWF/2002040101) with ESMTP id g4JCoXo28039 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:50:34 +0200 (MEST) Original-Received: from alex by confusibombus with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 179QDD-0000CC-00 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:54:59 +0200 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <200205190530.g4J5UNa22924@aztec.santafe.edu> (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 18 May 2002 23:30:23 -0600 (MDT)") Original-Lines: 32 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:4118 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:4118 Richard Stallman writes: > + but you can edit more efficiently if > ! but it's more efficient to keep your hands in the standard position I don't like this at all. It seems to be an unsubstantiated claim. People like Jef Raskin ("The Humane Interface") will argue for "dedicated keys" such as the arrow keys. People from the RSI crowd will argue for hands moving out of the standard position in order to prevent injuries. Some will claim this is wrong. The point is, nobody knows for sure. It is much better to use other arguments. For example: + You can also use the PageUp and PageDn keys to do scrolling, if your + terminal has them, but you can use C-v and M-v when you are using Emacs over a dumb terminal. ... ! There are several ways you can do this. You can use the arrow keys, ! but sometimes your terminal does not allow this. In these situations, use the commands C-p, C-b, C-f, and C-n. These characters ! are equivalent to the four arrow keys, like this: ... Alex. -- http://www.electronicintifada.net/diaries/index.html http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/hr2506c.html