From: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, jasonr@gnu.org, md5i@cs.cmu.edu,
storm@cua.dk, eliz@gnu.org, jan.h.d@swipnet.se
Subject: Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 01:55:07 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mz4v7ku0.fsf@jurta.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1H31i4-0000NM-Rb@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:55:04 -0500")
> Why does it matter whether it was IBM, Apple or M$ who invented the
> C-z C-x C-c C-v shortcuts (and thus broke compatibility with Emacs)?
>
> someone else said it was unfair to attribute these to Microsoft, since
> others actually designed the interface.
I certainly remember reading IBM CUA Guidelines a decade ago
there were no such keys as C-x C-c C-v defined. So it is unfair to
blame CUA designers for defining these stupid keys. On the contrary,
they did a good job by defining neutral keys: S-DEL for cut, C-INS for
Copy, and S-INS for Paste. I can't track down who first introduced
C-x C-c C-v. Quite likely it was Microsoft trying to mimic Apple's
special keys Command-x Command-c Command-v at the time when the Windows
key was not yet duplicated from Apple's Command key.
> No matter what we think or feel, or whether history is on our side,
> most "modern" applications use these bindings -- including GNOME, KDE
> and Firefox, so today it is Emacs which is "incompatible" with "common
> practice".
>
> That is why it is important to note that Emacs and its command set
> came first.
This is especially important for Emacs newbies whose first question about
Emacs nowadays is how to change C-x C-c C-v keys to cut, copy and paste.
--
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-01-06 23:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2007-01-02 22:00 ` Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7 Eli Zaretskii
2007-01-02 22:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-02 23:02 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-01-03 3:46 ` Nick Roberts
2007-01-03 13:05 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-01-03 14:07 ` Jason Rumney
2007-01-03 15:54 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-01-03 18:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-01-04 2:31 ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-04 4:33 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2007-01-04 7:30 ` David Kastrup
2007-01-04 9:28 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-01-04 10:24 ` David Kastrup
2007-01-04 11:35 ` Jan Djärv
2007-01-04 12:25 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-01-04 12:49 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-01-04 22:34 ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-05 13:39 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-01-06 2:55 ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-06 23:55 ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2007-01-07 23:23 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-01-07 23:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-01-08 0:16 ` Drew Adams
2007-01-08 15:35 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-01-08 18:24 ` David Kastrup
2007-01-08 21:10 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-01-08 19:46 ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-04 22:33 ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-04 8:08 ` Jason Rumney
2007-01-03 21:11 ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-09 0:05 kevin.gal
2007-01-09 1:16 ` Chris Moore
2007-01-11 2:16 ` Kevin Gallagher
2007-01-11 16:49 ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-11 17:46 ` Peter Whaite
2007-01-11 17:55 ` tomas
2007-01-11 18:35 ` Stuart D. Herring
2007-01-14 20:46 ` Richard Stallman
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