From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hadron Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: EmacsW32 invocation options Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 22:20:34 +0200 Message-ID: <87mz0nq8od.fsf@gmail.com> References: <59osrdF2m97hgU1@mid.individual.net> <4637A396.9000300@gmail.com> <46383B57.6050508@gmail.com> <4638EE03.8000602@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1178142752 4508 80.91.229.12 (2 May 2007 21:52:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 21:52:32 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 02 23:52:30 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HjMkP-0006Jk-2H for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 23:52:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjMqq-0005ee-Oq for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 17:59:08 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newshub.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 47 Original-X-Trace: individual.net P3IiwYgkWA0VxN9EI8+xJwAiNpmpHi4z2FbFbOoU93a+iv3syu X-Orig-Path: news.individual.net!news X-Face: 2h#||Cd#d%F*NCm59[_6/{1a@jy%; |j>{D~4^gKg(^i%7j0IK?+,/GmW&:CD5fEKb_! User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.0.99 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZXviOHSAGsoKlbKFXzpQ7NvcLIg= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:147944 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 02 May 2007 17:51:16 -0400 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:43548 Archived-At: "Juanma Barranquero" writes: > On 5/2/07, Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: > >> I am actively promoting making it easy to get started with Emacs. > > You're actively promoting the view that getting started with Emacs on > Windows is difficult without your changes. A brief browse of forums and the emacs irc channel suggests that most/a good % of people do indeed find it daunting to get emacs working under windows. I am surprised you would disagree. What is simple to you is not necessarily simple for complete newbies - most of whom I would guess run Windows. Having said that I must agree with you that patching over many of the "must learns" at too early a stage can also leave a nOOb stranded even further out to sea at a later date. By far the most important thing to instill in any emacs apprentice is to learn how to use the built in help. C-h i C-h m C-h a C-h k >>From there the world is their Oyster. Oh and add the arrow keys into the tutorial :-; > >> Still you are >> continuing saying that I am "actively promoting a variant of Emacs". > > It's you who says "my distro", isn't? > >> In my opinion that is a bit destructive. > > As I explained once before, your "distro" is potentially destructive > too. It's not hard to imagine how it could lead to a fork of Emacs on > Windows (not that it's *going* to happen, but it paves the way for it > to happen). > > Juanma > > --