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From: Dave Goel <deego3@gmail.com>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de>, Jason Rumney <jasonr@gnu.org>,
	Dave Goel <deego3@gmail.com>, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Fixing numerous `message' bugs..
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:44:44 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mysirwyr.fsf@marie.gnufans.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <85aboint7d.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Mon,  10 Dec 2007 22:19:34 +0100")


> (message "%s" (or x ""))
>
> will work instead of the proposed (message t x) 

(a) This looks like a neat "trick", but is confusing code.  Code
should be readable and as manifest as possible, and not rely on such
"hidden" tricks.  On the obfuscation scale, this is far worse than
something as innocuous as (or foo (error bar)), and note that some
authors even oppose that..

(b) This code also relies on an undocumented feature of `message' - that
"" as the first argument makes it behave almost the same as if the
argument were nil.


(c) Also note that (message "") is not exactly the same as (message
nil), because they return different values.  

> and considering that it rarely occurs (I think I should have got
> most cases),

Most, but not all.  

> I don't think it is really worth the trouble.

Hm, but where is the trouble?  This is a backward-compatible change.
After all, it doesn't change a thing for those that are well-versed in
the proper use of `message' and always remember to use the first
argument as a format string.

I, for one, still think instinctively think of (message) and (error)
as if they called their strings literally.  It is obvious that many
others do too.  Perhaps, (message t ..) would slowly become a habit
for such authors looking for literal strings, just as (format nil .. )
is a habit for common-lispers...  

In fact, I would prefer such a functionality for `error' as well..

  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-10 22:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-06  0:14 Fixing numerous `message' bugs D. Goel
2007-12-06 10:56 ` David Kastrup
2007-12-06 14:36   ` Dave Goel
2007-12-06 19:26     ` Glenn Morris
2007-12-06 19:34       ` Dave Goel
2007-12-06 20:21       ` Johan Bockgård
2007-12-07  5:28         ` Glenn Morris
2007-12-07 15:52           ` Dave Goel
2007-12-06 15:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-12-06 16:01   ` Dave Goel
2007-12-06 16:49     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-12-06 16:58       ` David Kastrup
2007-12-06 17:19         ` David Kastrup
2007-12-07 17:17         ` Richard Stallman
2007-12-07 17:37           ` David Kastrup
2007-12-07 17:17         ` Richard Stallman
2007-12-07 17:18         ` Richard Stallman
2007-12-07 17:24           ` David Kastrup
2007-12-07 18:00             ` Dave Goel
2007-12-07 18:38               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-12-08  0:56                 ` Glenn Morris
2007-12-08  2:21                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-12-08 10:55                     ` David Kastrup
2007-12-08 19:15                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-12-10 17:41                   ` Dave Goel
2007-12-10 18:04                     ` Jason Rumney
2007-12-10 19:05                       ` Dave Goel
2007-12-10 19:56                         ` Andreas Schwab
2007-12-10 20:31                           ` Dave Goel
2007-12-10 21:19                             ` David Kastrup
2007-12-10 22:44                               ` Dave Goel [this message]
2007-12-10 23:02                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-12-08 19:15             ` Richard Stallman
2007-12-07 17:18 ` Richard Stallman

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