From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tabbed buffers Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:31:11 +0900 Message-ID: <87myqq5p2o.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <18330.23354.579245.68671@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <87ejc5sf4l.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <18330.29609.396872.678539@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <87wspxqwjv.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1201508781 32277 80.91.229.12 (28 Jan 2008 08:26:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: nickrob@snap.net.nz, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , miles@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 28 09:26:41 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JJPKA-0007au-EZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:26:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JJPJj-0006A4-Ci for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:26:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JJPJf-00069y-8l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:26:07 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JJPJc-00069l-Mw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:26:05 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JJPJc-00069i-Ih for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:26:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JJPJQ-0004jQ-TK; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:25:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JJPJQ-0006Oh-7P; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:25:52 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714CA7FFC; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:25:17 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 41AB01A29E5; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:31:12 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" (+CVS-20071205) XEmacs Lucid X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:87696 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > All I was pointing out was that if we introduce frame-level > tabs, then it might make sense to treat the current > "multiple-frames on a single tty" as tabs rather than as > frames. > > That seems like an unnecessary complication with no benefit. The benefit is that the tabs provide a visual cue (which many users will have experience with) of what alternatives are available via `next-tab' or `pop-to-tab'. I don't think it is a good idea to think of tabs per se as associated with any given content class. They are a UI component, like any other widget such as toolbar or radio button box (each of which is very similar to a tab and could be used to simulate a tab control). I think Alan's idea of a frameset (possibly implemented as Stefan describes, but this area is conceptually hairy since a frame is the biggest object Emacs deals with so tabs have to be *in* the frame, while from the users' point of view it *acts like* multiple frames) is probably the best default use of tabs. Users will understand it immediately. Some will hate it for stealing precious screen real estate, so there must be a way to turn it off. But users new to Emacs or to multitty will find it a convenient way to learn about that facility.