From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastien Guerry Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:46:20 +0200 Message-ID: <87mykmsx6b.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <36366a980807091202rd3b6521jc9fa45d321bc9d37@mail.gmail.com> <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807111217m66d6cf4el777c197c107ce034@mail.gmail.com> <87skug6tq5.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4eb0089f0807111345h13eccdds9b2cf43370b94074@mail.gmail.com> <4877C94E.3090202@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1215891999 8138 80.91.229.12 (12 Jul 2008 19:46:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:46:39 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 12 21:47:27 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KHl41-00042m-Vg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:47:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35595 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KHl3A-00026b-6E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:46:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KHl35-00024k-Oi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:46:27 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KHl34-00022y-4P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:46:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54034 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KHl33-00022j-U9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:46:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.134.189]:63709) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KHl33-0008Gc-Hc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:46:25 -0400 Original-Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so1337914mue.6 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:46:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:from:to:subject :in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:sender; bh=NdZ9unTzj95IcIy99KdJMl0EqKFLiyCtXilquRNIKDk=; b=vAhM7p06ldnpJUdPCKCoxnJ8w7havgsKHlDocQrcTV4W+Lp2naxVxC/QzMY1GtBKhQ aq4MPjVl1a2HhHQUruzW25PsAFxmxaHjJf+KBp4Ytu9a7EZBBs/0Yt1WYpnk7bJlXOI1 q1TvyLF1yYkGdFUptfcEnVVEUsjTpQ7WzCQKA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:sender; b=r8nqzJphuu5u6KVQkdVTs83UkFnNvTOegcSHSecwMo/yv0Z8WzGv0bwAnZSFGbFa5a fJQCIsGQT4wokJOSEikPlAZ6LLT52hMqQFs1uZgtKUzSGl3LfV0gwz48aCzJ7bk3/QJs 7YU8XJ9AO/bXC+19I3JZhXpZHVGhRheGLS3GM= Original-Received: by 10.103.233.12 with SMTP id k12mr6509810mur.54.1215891984381; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from bzg.ath.cx ( [79.94.49.81]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w5sm11166720mue.11.2008.07.12.12.46.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by bzg.ath.cx (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2C5CA1575BA; Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:46:20 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:35:09 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110009 (No Gnus v0.9) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100621 Archived-At: Richard M Stallman writes: > The crucial point IMO is letting go of the "we are best" attitude. > > We don't claim to be "best" in a technical sense, because that is a > side issue anyway. What we claim to be is _ethical_, in contrast to > the evil of proprietary software. I think Lennart was referring to the "unix vendors". I can believe they claim to be "the best" in a technical sense. -- Bastien