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From: Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: usability problem of emacs describe-mode
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:49:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mycdorve.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 76fcf833-ad89-44f2-b227-e18295317ca2@p13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com

Xah Lee <xahlee@gmail.com> writes:

> emacs's describe-mode (Ctrl+h m) is really unusable.

[...]

> Why the fuck do i care to be splashed with these info?

Having all minor mode descriptions on one page does make sense, because
then you can use isearch.  Imagine you write "xy SPC" and suddenly it
expanded to "foobar".  `C-h m C-s expand' will point you to the
culprit's description (abbrev-mode).

> Suggestion:
>
> • describe-mode should just show the inline doc for the major mode.

I'd object with the reason above.

> • Add a link to the bottom to go to the full doc of the mode, if it
> exists. (the link may be to info doc, or to a url online of the mode's
> doc website)

Yep, an info link would be nice.  One could enforce that each command's
description contains a link to the relevant info pages, but that would
create a thight coupling between the code and the docs which requires
additional maintenance.

> • get rid of convention of using ^L for page break marker.

I don't have a opinion on that, but ^L doesn't occur in normal text, so
it makes parsing the *Help* buffer a bit easier.

> In addition, many of the convention adds up the pain in reading the
> doc. e.g. C t, C-u C-u, RET, <mouse-2>, etc. The C something really
> should be Ctrl+c, RET should be Return or Enter, <mouse-2> should be
> Right Button, etc.

I don't think that `Ctrl+c Alt+m' is more readable than `C-c M-m'.  And
<mouse-2> may be the right mouse button on your system, but on mine it's
<mouse-3>.  And with some gaming mouse it may be <mouse-17>.

Bye,
Tassilo


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-02-23 19:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <76fcf833-ad89-44f2-b227-e18295317ca2@p13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
2009-02-23 19:14 ` usability problem of emacs describe-mode Zachary Kline
2009-02-23 21:48   ` Xah Lee
2009-02-23 19:27 ` Andreas Politz
2009-02-24 20:36   ` Xah Lee
2009-02-24 23:22     ` Andreas Politz
2009-02-25 19:11       ` Xah Lee
2009-02-23 19:49 ` Tassilo Horn [this message]
2009-02-23 21:35 ` Xah Lee
2009-02-24 17:41   ` B. T. Raven
2009-02-24 20:32     ` Xah Lee
2009-02-24 22:48       ` B. T. Raven
2009-02-24 23:31         ` Xah Lee
2009-02-25  8:11   ` Kevin Rodgers
2009-02-25  9:17   ` cmr.Pent
2009-02-25 12:11     ` Sébastien Vauban
2009-02-25 12:58       ` Tassilo Horn
2009-02-25 12:46     ` Tassilo Horn
2009-02-25 15:04     ` Drew Adams
     [not found]     ` <mailman.1767.1235574258.31690.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-02-25 19:30       ` Xah Lee
2009-02-25 19:50         ` Teemu Likonen
     [not found]           ` <e14cdb27-5dcc-4ad4-93ba-81ed6d938b0b@q9g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
2009-02-26 19:33             ` Improving Emacs (was: usability problem of emacs describe-mode) Teemu Likonen
2009-03-01 23:34               ` Xah Lee
2009-03-02  5:57                 ` Improving Emacs Teemu Likonen
2009-02-26 18:24         ` usability problem of emacs describe-mode Drew Adams
     [not found]         ` <mailman.1878.1235672676.31690.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-02-27  2:21           ` Giorgos Keramidas
     [not found]           ` <fbf7d92c-ae58-4d1b-83b6-d292df8e95a4@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>
2009-02-27  8:44             ` cmr.Pent
2009-02-27  9:56               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-02-27  9:46             ` David Kastrup
2009-02-27 15:56             ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-02-27 20:34               ` Xah Lee
2009-02-27 21:32                 ` David Kastrup
2009-02-27 22:24                 ` Xah Lee
2009-02-27 23:55                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-02-28  0:58                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-02-28  8:57       ` Xah Lee
2009-02-28 15:47         ` Drew Adams
     [not found]         ` <mailman.2089.1235836078.31690.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-03-02  1:46           ` Xah Lee
2009-03-02 15:50             ` Drew Adams
     [not found]             ` <mailman.2216.1236009036.31690.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-03-02 21:09               ` Xah Lee
2009-03-02 21:15                 ` Xah Lee
     [not found]   ` <mailman.1728.1235549474.31690.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-02-25 19:13     ` Xah Lee

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