From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sebastian Rose Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Inadequate documentation of silly characters on screen. Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:27:12 +0100 Message-ID: <87my2fbb7z.fsf@gmx.de> References: <20091118191258.GA2676@muc.de> <20091119082040.GA1720@muc.de> <87aayitvoy.fsf@wanchan.jasonrumney.net> <87ocmyf6so.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87vdh57tp2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <878we1ekb0.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87hbso347j.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <877htk2xbk.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87lji0awh8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <876394dlsr.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <877htkaqri.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87y6lzdat8.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87my2f8nh5.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258853264 25215 80.91.229.12 (22 Nov 2009 01:27:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 22 02:27:37 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NC1Ek-0000WQ-Rt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:27:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38951 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NC1Ek-00066O-Au for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:27:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NC1Ee-00065m-D0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:27:28 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NC1Ea-000615-HU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:27:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41110 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NC1Ea-00060q-Ca for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:27:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:44921) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NC1EZ-0003SV-Kw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:27:24 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 22 Nov 2009 01:27:20 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (EHLO beteigeuze.gmx.de) [92.117.146.103] by mail.gmx.net (mp025) with SMTP; 22 Nov 2009 02:27:20 +0100 X-Authenticated: #8529601 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/4GVRmt4v4AbSnTJ7B8QYD013aa1wVBXkmiLuJ4l aO6236akocxESI In-Reply-To: <87my2f8nh5.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:30:46 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.71 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117478 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > >> David Kastrup writes: >> > "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: >> >> > > I meant pre-existing corruption [...] >> > >> > That interpretation is not the business of the editor. >> >> Precisely my point. The editor has *no* way to interpret at the point >> of encountering the invalid sequence, and therefore it should *stop* >> and ask the user what to do. That doesn't mean it should throw away >> the data, but it sure does mean that it should not continue as though >> there is valid data in the buffer. >> >> Emacs is welcome to do that, but I am sure you will get bug reports >> about it. > > Why would we get a bug report about Emacs saving a file changed only in > the locations that the user actually edited? > > People might complain when Emacs does not recognize some encoding > properly, but they certainly will not demand that Emacs should stop > working altogether. People do indeed complain on the emacs-orgmode mailing list and I can reproduce their problems. You may read the details here: http://www.mail-archive.com/emacs-orgmode@gnu.org/msg19778.html `M-x recode-file-name' doesn't work either. I guess this is related? Best wishes Sebastian