From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Basic Bazaar guide for Emacs hackers. Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:21:55 -0600 Message-ID: <87my23byy4.fsf@canonical.com> References: <87skbzblp5.fsf@telefonica.net> <87y6log42q.fsf@red-bean.com> <87y6lo8zgi.fsf@telefonica.net> <87638sy5ab.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tywc8u7t.fsf@telefonica.net> <87y6lowm3h.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ljho8pgt.fsf@telefonica.net> <87vdgswewc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87hbsc81wt.fsf@telefonica.net> <87ljhnx66a.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: Karl Fogel NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259609280 2827 80.91.229.12 (30 Nov 2009 19:28:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 30 20:27:53 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NFBu9-0005EL-An for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:27:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48127 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NFBu9-0004hI-0w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:27:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NFBp1-00086W-OX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:22:07 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NFBoy-00083x-S5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:22:06 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41166 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NFBoy-00083m-IY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:22:04 -0500 Original-Received: from adelie.canonical.com ([91.189.90.139]:46727) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NFBoy-00016l-5V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:22:04 -0500 Original-Received: from hutte.canonical.com ([91.189.90.181]) by adelie.canonical.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 #1 (Debian)) id 1NFBou-00056l-0F; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:22:00 +0000 Original-Received: from 173-109-241-128.pools.spcsdns.net ([173.109.241.128] helo=kfogel-work) by hutte.canonical.com with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NFBot-0006Kg-K4; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:21:59 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87ljhnx66a.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:40:13 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117985 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > =C3=93scar Fuentes writes: > > Karl's action has nothing to do here. Wasn't it clear on the quoted > > text? I was talking about you: > > Reread the thread. Since you insisted on keeping your page, IIRC I've > said nothing since about deleting that page, and in fact have added > references to it from the main page on the assumption it was going to > stay. It was Karl who asked you to delete it more recently. > > True I supported his argument that having too many workflows can be > confusing against your claim that it won't be, but that doesn't mean > that I supported his request to delete the page. Especially since RMS > clearly wants to keep it, and even make it the recommended workflow -- > and if things go that way, there's no point in paying attention to me > 'cause I'll be gone. Heh. I'll volunteer to have been inconsistent with something I previously said, if it will stop this particular subthread :-). Anyway, the thing that upsets people about too many choices is being ill-equipped to deal with them. So rather than delete workflow documentation that some people (RMS, Glenn Morris, et al) find useful, I think a strategy of being clear about - our recommended entry point (for those who need one), and - what each piece of documentation is for, and - how it relates to the others is best. That default entry point should be BzrForEmacsDevs, IMHO. I think we're close to switching now; it depends on the pretest schedule, which I'm not following. I'll post separately about that. -Karl