* bug#5785: 24.0.50; Fail to bind C-. in emacs -nw from xterm. @ 2010-03-26 18:44 Thierry Volpiatto 2010-03-26 20:17 ` Dan Nicolaescu 2019-09-15 15:55 ` Stefan Kangas 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Thierry Volpiatto @ 2010-03-26 18:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 5785 Hi, I am unable to bind C-. in xterm. A) 1) I start xterm without my config of .Xdefaults. 2) In scratch i write and eval: (global-set-key (kbd "C-.") #'(lambda () (interactive) (message "hello"))) 3) When i hit C-. "~" is printed in buffer (*scratch*). B) If i bind the same key (C-.) in a function that use the minibuffer, (define-key anything-map (kbd "C-.") 'anything-find-files-down-one-level) then, 27;6;46~ is printed in anything prompt. NOTE: ---- Also, Alt doesn't work in emacs without proper Xterm config in .Xdefault: XTerm*metaSendsEscape: True You can verify with simple command (e.g `insert-parentheses' `M-(') In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.18.9) of 2010-03-25 on tux Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10605000 configured using `configure '--prefix=/usr' '--build=i686-pc-linux-gnu' '--host=i686-pc-linux-gnu' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--datadir=/usr/share' '--sysconfdir=/etc' '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--program-suffix=-emacs-24' '--infodir=/usr/share/info/emacs-24' '--with-sound' '--with-x' '--without-gconf' '--without-toolkit-scroll-bars' '--with-gif' '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--with-rsvg' '--with-tiff' '--with-xpm' '--with-xft' '--without-libotf' '--without-m17n-flt' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--without-hesiod' '--without-kerberos' '--without-kerberos5' '--with-gpm' '--with-dbus' 'build_alias=i686-pc-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=i686-pc-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-march=i686 -pipe -O2' 'LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: C value of $LC_COLLATE: C value of $LC_CTYPE: fr_FR.UTF-8 value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: fr_FR.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: global-undo-tree-mode: t undo-tree-mode: t eldoc-mode: t delete-selection-mode: t minibuffer-depth-indicate-mode: t auto-image-file-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t partial-completion-mode: t show-paren-mode: t display-battery-mode: t display-time-mode: t diff-auto-refine-mode: t savehist-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <up> L y <up> u C-z 3 C-c o d e f <C-down> <C-down> <C-down> <C-down> <C-down> <C-down> <C-down> C-d C-d C-d C-d C-u C-u C-u C-u C-u C-u C-v C-v C-v C-v C-v C-v C-t C-t C-t C-t C-t C-t C-t C-t C-t C-t C-t C-v C-v C-t C-t C-v C-v C-g <down> <down> C-c o d e f <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <C-down> <C-down> C-| <C-down> <C-down> <C-down> <C-down> <C-down> <C-down> <C-down> <C-down> <C-down> <C-down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <C-down> <down> <right> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <right> <C-down> <C-down> <right> <down> <right> <down> <right> <down> <right> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <right> C-| C-g C-z l <return> <f7> m <return> <return> q <return> <return> q <return> <return> q n n q g <return> <return> q q y <return> C-y <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> C-y <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> C-k M-x r e p o r t - e m a <return> Recent messages: Are you sure you want to quit reading news? 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* bug#5785: 24.0.50; Fail to bind C-. in emacs -nw from xterm. 2010-03-26 18:44 bug#5785: 24.0.50; Fail to bind C-. in emacs -nw from xterm Thierry Volpiatto @ 2010-03-26 20:17 ` Dan Nicolaescu 2010-03-26 23:02 ` Thierry Volpiatto 2019-09-15 15:55 ` Stefan Kangas 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Dan Nicolaescu @ 2010-03-26 20:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thierry Volpiatto; +Cc: 5785 Thierry Volpiatto <thierry.volpiatto@gmail.com> writes: > Hi, > I am unable to bind C-. in xterm. > > A) > > 1) I start xterm without my config of .Xdefaults. Can you please show the results of xrdb -q | grep -i xterm at this point? Do you have any .Xdefaults settings for emacs? Can you please disable those too and verify that xrdb -q | grep -i emacs doesn't print anything? > 2) In scratch i write and eval: Please use emacs -Q -nw for this step > (global-set-key (kbd "C-.") #'(lambda () (interactive) (message "hello"))) > > 3) When i hit C-. "~" is printed in buffer (*scratch*). > > B) > > If i bind the same key (C-.) in a function that use the minibuffer, > (define-key anything-map (kbd "C-.") 'anything-find-files-down-one-level) > > then, > 27;6;46~ is printed in anything prompt. > > NOTE: > ---- > Also, > Alt doesn't work in emacs without proper Xterm config in .Xdefault: > XTerm*metaSendsEscape: True This is a sign that something might be wrong in your setup, it should work by default. > Important settings: > value of $LC_ALL: C > value of $LC_COLLATE: C > value of $LC_CTYPE: fr_FR.UTF-8 > value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil > value of $LC_MONETARY: nil > value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil > value of $LC_TIME: nil > value of $LANG: fr_FR.UTF-8 > value of $XMODIFIERS: nil > locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix > default enable-multibyte-characters: t I don't know much about LANG stuff, but is it OK to have LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 and LC_ALL=C? Maybe there's a problem with the way your keyboard is set up? 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/usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/gnus-util > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/gnus-cus hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/gnus-cus > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/compface hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/compface > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/mm-uu hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/mm-uu > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/rfc1843 hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/rfc1843 > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/gnus-sum hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/gnus-sum > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/gnus-agent hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/gnus-agent > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/gnus-picon hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/gnus-picon > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/qp hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/qp > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/mm-partial hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/mm-partial > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/mm-util hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/mm-util > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/gnus-undo hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/gnus-undo > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/smiley hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/smiley > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/score-mode hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/score-mode > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/gnus-start hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/gnus-start > /home/thierry/elisp/emms/lisp/tq hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/emacs-lisp/tq > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/time-date hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/calendar/time-date > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/parse-time hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/calendar/parse-time These are no good. Do all these go away if you use emacs -Q -nw ? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#5785: 24.0.50; Fail to bind C-. in emacs -nw from xterm. 2010-03-26 20:17 ` Dan Nicolaescu @ 2010-03-26 23:02 ` Thierry Volpiatto 2010-03-26 23:42 ` Dan Nicolaescu 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Thierry Volpiatto @ 2010-03-26 23:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dan Nicolaescu; +Cc: 5785 Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes: > Thierry Volpiatto <thierry.volpiatto@gmail.com> writes: > > > Hi, > > I am unable to bind C-. in xterm. > > > > A) > > > > 1) I start xterm without my config of .Xdefaults. > > Can you please show the results of > xrdb -q | grep -i xterm > > at this point? Nothing (i have no .Xressources) > Do you have any .Xdefaults settings for emacs? > Can you please disable those too and verify that > xrdb -q | grep -i emacs > doesn't print anything? Nothing. > > 2) In scratch i write and eval: > > Please use > emacs -Q -nw > > for this step > > > (global-set-key (kbd "C-.") #'(lambda () (interactive) (message "hello"))) > > > > 3) When i hit C-. "~" is printed in buffer (*scratch*). > > > > B) > > > > If i bind the same key (C-.) in a function that use the minibuffer, > > (define-key anything-map (kbd "C-.") 'anything-find-files-down-one-level) > > > > then, > > 27;6;46~ is printed in anything prompt. > > > > NOTE: > > ---- > > Also, > > Alt doesn't work in emacs without proper Xterm config in .Xdefault: > > XTerm*metaSendsEscape: True > > This is a sign that something might be wrong in your setup, it should > work by default. Maybe, i don't use much Xterm, my favorite is urxvt. But urxvt handle M-( correctly by default (No config). So same test as above in same conditions work fine in urxvt and not in Xterm. So if it was my setting at system level, it should fail also with urxvt. > > Important settings: > > value of $LC_ALL: C > > value of $LC_COLLATE: C > > value of $LC_CTYPE: fr_FR.UTF-8 > > value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil > > value of $LC_MONETARY: nil > > value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil > > value of $LC_TIME: nil > > value of $LANG: fr_FR.UTF-8 > > value of $XMODIFIERS: nil > > locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix > > default enable-multibyte-characters: t > > I don't know much about LANG stuff, but is it OK to have LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 and LC_ALL=C? It's not a problem, LC_ALL=C is set locally in Emacs with setenv to avoid other bug with shell prompts in Emacs, but that's another problem. Anyway when set, LC_ALL overhide all other locale setting. OTOH LANG set all to it's value but allow setting other variables. So in emacs (no emacs -Q), my locale is: ,---- | LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 | LC_CTYPE="C" | LC_NUMERIC="C" | LC_TIME="C" | LC_COLLATE="C" | LC_MONETARY="C" | LC_MESSAGES="C" | LC_PAPER="C" | LC_NAME="C" | LC_ADDRESS="C" | LC_TELEPHONE="C" | LC_MEASUREMENT="C" | LC_IDENTIFICATION="C" | LC_ALL=C `---- But when i start emacs -Q, my locale are all utf-8 except LC_COLLATE for US sorting, that' my system settings. ,---- | LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 | LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 | LC_NUMERIC="fr_FR.UTF-8" | LC_TIME="fr_FR.UTF-8" | LC_COLLATE=C | LC_MONETARY="fr_FR.UTF-8" | LC_MESSAGES="fr_FR.UTF-8" | LC_PAPER="fr_FR.UTF-8" | LC_NAME="fr_FR.UTF-8" | LC_ADDRESS="fr_FR.UTF-8" | LC_TELEPHONE="fr_FR.UTF-8" | LC_MEASUREMENT="fr_FR.UTF-8" | LC_IDENTIFICATION="fr_FR.UTF-8" | LC_ALL= `---- So when testing emacs -Q -nw in Xterm i have these locales. And no .Xdefaults or .Xressources. > Maybe there's a problem with the way your keyboard is set up? Maybe > someone that knows about french keyboards can help... So i think my keyboard config is ok. > > Load-path shadows: [...] > > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/smiley hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/smiley > > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/score-mode hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/score-mode > > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/gnus-start hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/gnus-start > > /home/thierry/elisp/emms/lisp/tq hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/emacs-lisp/tq > > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/time-date hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/calendar/time-date > > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/parse-time hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/calendar/parse-time > > These are no good. Do all these go away if you use emacs -Q -nw ? Yes that's ngnus, it is not enabled in emacs -Q. That's remind me to disable it and use emacs gnus. -- Thierry Volpiatto Gpg key: http://pgp.mit.edu/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#5785: 24.0.50; Fail to bind C-. in emacs -nw from xterm. 2010-03-26 23:02 ` Thierry Volpiatto @ 2010-03-26 23:42 ` Dan Nicolaescu 2010-03-27 6:57 ` Thierry Volpiatto 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Dan Nicolaescu @ 2010-03-26 23:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thierry Volpiatto; +Cc: 5785 Thierry Volpiatto <thierry.volpiatto@gmail.com> writes: > Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes: > > > Thierry Volpiatto <thierry.volpiatto@gmail.com> writes: > > > > > Hi, > > > I am unable to bind C-. in xterm. > > > > > > A) > > > > > > 1) I start xterm without my config of .Xdefaults. > > > > Can you please show the results of > > xrdb -q | grep -i xterm > > > > at this point? > Nothing (i have no .Xressources) > > > Do you have any .Xdefaults settings for emacs? > > Can you please disable those too and verify that > > xrdb -q | grep -i emacs > > doesn't print anything? > Nothing. > > > > 2) In scratch i write and eval: > > > > Please use > > emacs -Q -nw > > > > for this step > > > > > (global-set-key (kbd "C-.") #'(lambda () (interactive) (message "hello"))) > > > > > > 3) When i hit C-. "~" is printed in buffer (*scratch*). > > > > > > B) > > > > > > If i bind the same key (C-.) in a function that use the minibuffer, > > > (define-key anything-map (kbd "C-.") 'anything-find-files-down-one-level) > > > > > > then, > > > 27;6;46~ is printed in anything prompt. > > > > > > NOTE: > > > ---- > > > Also, > > > Alt doesn't work in emacs without proper Xterm config in .Xdefault: > > > XTerm*metaSendsEscape: True > > > > This is a sign that something might be wrong in your setup, it should > > work by default. > Maybe, i don't use much Xterm, my favorite is urxvt. > But urxvt handle M-( correctly by default (No config). > So same test as above in same conditions work fine in urxvt and not in > Xterm. > So if it was my setting at system level, it should fail also with urxvt. Why would it? Another question: does M-a M-b M-f work in the shell in xterm? Do you have some non-standard TERM or TERMINFO settings? Was your xterm compiled in some different way? What OS are you using? > > > Important settings: > > > value of $LC_ALL: C > > > value of $LC_COLLATE: C > > > value of $LC_CTYPE: fr_FR.UTF-8 > > > value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil > > > value of $LC_MONETARY: nil > > > value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil > > > value of $LC_TIME: nil > > > value of $LANG: fr_FR.UTF-8 > > > value of $XMODIFIERS: nil > > > locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix > > > default enable-multibyte-characters: t > > > > I don't know much about LANG stuff, but is it OK to have LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 and LC_ALL=C? > > It's not a problem, LC_ALL=C is set locally in Emacs with setenv to > avoid other bug with shell prompts in Emacs, but that's another problem. > Anyway when set, LC_ALL overhide all other locale setting. > OTOH LANG set all to it's value but allow setting other variables. > So in emacs (no emacs -Q), my locale is: > ,---- > | LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 > | LC_CTYPE="C" > | LC_NUMERIC="C" > | LC_TIME="C" > | LC_COLLATE="C" > | LC_MONETARY="C" > | LC_MESSAGES="C" > | LC_PAPER="C" > | LC_NAME="C" > | LC_ADDRESS="C" > | LC_TELEPHONE="C" > | LC_MEASUREMENT="C" > | LC_IDENTIFICATION="C" > | LC_ALL=C > `---- > > But when i start emacs -Q, my locale are all utf-8 > except LC_COLLATE for US sorting, that' my system settings. > > ,---- > | LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 > | LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 > | LC_NUMERIC="fr_FR.UTF-8" > | LC_TIME="fr_FR.UTF-8" > | LC_COLLATE=C > | LC_MONETARY="fr_FR.UTF-8" > | LC_MESSAGES="fr_FR.UTF-8" > | LC_PAPER="fr_FR.UTF-8" > | LC_NAME="fr_FR.UTF-8" > | LC_ADDRESS="fr_FR.UTF-8" > | LC_TELEPHONE="fr_FR.UTF-8" > | LC_MEASUREMENT="fr_FR.UTF-8" > | LC_IDENTIFICATION="fr_FR.UTF-8" > | LC_ALL= > `---- > > So when testing emacs -Q -nw in Xterm i have these locales. > And no .Xdefaults or .Xressources. > > > Maybe there's a problem with the way your keyboard is set up? Maybe > > someone that knows about french keyboards can help... > So i think my keyboard config is ok. > > > > Load-path shadows: > > [...] > > > > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/smiley hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/smiley > > > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/score-mode hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/score-mode > > > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/gnus-start hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/gnus-start > > > /home/thierry/elisp/emms/lisp/tq hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/emacs-lisp/tq > > > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/time-date hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/calendar/time-date > > > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/parse-time hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/calendar/parse-time > > > > These are no good. Do all these go away if you use emacs -Q -nw ? > Yes that's ngnus, it is not enabled in emacs -Q. That's remind me to > disable it and use emacs gnus. > > -- > Thierry Volpiatto > Gpg key: http://pgp.mit.edu/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#5785: 24.0.50; Fail to bind C-. in emacs -nw from xterm. 2010-03-26 23:42 ` Dan Nicolaescu @ 2010-03-27 6:57 ` Thierry Volpiatto [not found] ` <201003291913.o2TJDsJ9003980@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Thierry Volpiatto @ 2010-03-27 6:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: bug-gnu-emacs Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes: > Thierry Volpiatto <thierry.volpiatto@gmail.com> writes: > > > Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes: > > > > > Thierry Volpiatto <thierry.volpiatto@gmail.com> writes: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I am unable to bind C-. in xterm. > > > > > > > > A) > > > > > > > > 1) I start xterm without my config of .Xdefaults. > > > > > > Can you please show the results of > > > xrdb -q | grep -i xterm > > > > > > at this point? > > Nothing (i have no .Xressources) > > > > > Do you have any .Xdefaults settings for emacs? > > > Can you please disable those too and verify that > > > xrdb -q | grep -i emacs > > > doesn't print anything? > > Nothing. > > > > > > 2) In scratch i write and eval: > > > > > > Please use > > > emacs -Q -nw > > > > > > for this step > > > > > > > (global-set-key (kbd "C-.") #'(lambda () (interactive) (message "hello"))) > > > > > > > > 3) When i hit C-. "~" is printed in buffer (*scratch*). > > > > > > > > B) > > > > > > > > If i bind the same key (C-.) in a function that use the minibuffer, > > > > (define-key anything-map (kbd "C-.") 'anything-find-files-down-one-level) > > > > > > > > then, > > > > 27;6;46~ is printed in anything prompt. > > > > > > > > NOTE: > > > > ---- > > > > Also, > > > > Alt doesn't work in emacs without proper Xterm config in .Xdefault: > > > > XTerm*metaSendsEscape: True > > > > > > This is a sign that something might be wrong in your setup, it should > > > work by default. > > Maybe, i don't use much Xterm, my favorite is urxvt. > > But urxvt handle M-( correctly by default (No config). > > So same test as above in same conditions work fine in urxvt and not in > > Xterm. > > So if it was my setting at system level, it should fail also with urxvt. > > Why would it? Because with same config it fail on xterm and why not on urxvt? > Another question: does M-a M-b M-f work in the shell in xterm? M-a ==> à (a accent aigu) M-f ==> æ M-b ==> â Note: all this work in emacs with C-q M-a/b/f Here my Xterm commands, no .Xdefaults, no .inputrc: ,----[ Output of bind -P ] | abort can be found on "\C-g", "\C-x\C-g", "\e\C-g". | accept-line can be found on "\C-j", "\C-m". | alias-expand-line is not bound to any keys | arrow-key-prefix is not bound to any keys | backward-byte is not bound to any keys | backward-char can be found on "\C-b", "\eOD", "\e[D". | backward-delete-char can be found on "\C-h", "\C-?". | backward-kill-line can be found on "\C-x\C-?". | backward-kill-word can be found on "\e\C-h", "\e\C-?". | backward-word can be found on "\e\e[D", "\eOd", "\e[1;3D", "\e[1;5D", "\e[5D", ... | beginning-of-history can be found on "\e<". | beginning-of-line can be found on "\C-a", "\eOH", "\e[1~", "\e[7~", "\e[H". | call-last-kbd-macro can be found on "\C-xe". | capitalize-word can be found on "\ec". | character-search can be found on "\C-]". | character-search-backward can be found on "\e\C-]". | clear-screen can be found on "\C-l". | complete can be found on "\C-i", "\e\e". | complete-command can be found on "\e!". | complete-filename can be found on "\e/". | complete-hostname can be found on "\e@". | complete-into-braces can be found on "\e{". | complete-username can be found on "\e~". | complete-variable can be found on "\e$". | copy-backward-word is not bound to any keys | copy-forward-word is not bound to any keys | copy-region-as-kill is not bound to any keys | dabbrev-expand is not bound to any keys | delete-char can be found on "\C-d", "\e[3~". | delete-char-or-list is not bound to any keys | delete-horizontal-space can be found on "\e\\". | digit-argument can be found on "\e-", "\e0", "\e1", "\e2", "\e3", ... | display-shell-version can be found on "\C-x\C-v". | do-lowercase-version can be found on "\C-xA", "\C-xB", "\C-xC", "\C-xD", "\C-xE", ... | downcase-word can be found on "\el". | dump-functions is not bound to any keys | dump-macros is not bound to any keys | dump-variables is not bound to any keys | dynamic-complete-history can be found on "\e\C-i". | edit-and-execute-command can be found on "\C-x\C-e". | emacs-editing-mode is not bound to any keys | end-kbd-macro can be found on "\C-x)". | end-of-history can be found on "\e>". | end-of-line can be found on "\C-e", "\eOF", "\e[4~", "\e[8~", "\e[F". | exchange-point-and-mark can be found on "\C-x\C-x". | forward-backward-delete-char is not bound to any keys | forward-byte is not bound to any keys | forward-char can be found on "\C-f", "\eOC", "\e[C". | forward-search-history can be found on "\C-s". | forward-word can be found on "\e\e[C", "\eOc", "\e[1;3C", "\e[1;5C", "\e[5C", ... | glob-complete-word can be found on "\eg". | glob-expand-word can be found on "\C-x*". | glob-list-expansions can be found on "\C-xg". | history-and-alias-expand-line is not bound to any keys | history-expand-line can be found on "\e^". | history-search-backward can be found on "\e[5~". | history-search-forward can be found on "\e[6~". | insert-comment can be found on "\e#". | insert-completions can be found on "\e*". | insert-last-argument can be found on "\e.", "\e_". | kill-line can be found on "\C-k". | kill-region is not bound to any keys | kill-whole-line is not bound to any keys | kill-word can be found on "\ed". | magic-space is not bound to any keys | menu-complete is not bound to any keys | next-history can be found on "\C-n", "\eOB", "\e[B". | non-incremental-forward-search-history can be found on "\en". | non-incremental-forward-search-history-again is not bound to any keys | non-incremental-reverse-search-history can be found on "\ep". | non-incremental-reverse-search-history-again is not bound to any keys | operate-and-get-next can be found on "\C-o". | overwrite-mode is not bound to any keys | possible-command-completions can be found on "\C-x!". | possible-completions can be found on "\e=", "\e?". | possible-filename-completions can be found on "\C-x/". | possible-hostname-completions can be found on "\C-x@". | possible-username-completions can be found on "\C-x~". | possible-variable-completions can be found on "\C-x$". | previous-history can be found on "\C-p", "\eOA", "\e[A". | quoted-insert can be found on "\C-q", "\C-v", "\e[2~". | re-read-init-file can be found on "\C-x\C-r". | redraw-current-line is not bound to any keys | reverse-search-history can be found on "\C-r". | revert-line can be found on "\e\C-r", "\er". | self-insert can be found on " ", "!", "\"", "#", "$", ... | set-mark can be found on "\C-@", "\e ". | shell-backward-kill-word is not bound to any keys | shell-backward-word is not bound to any keys | shell-expand-line can be found on "\e\C-e". | shell-forward-word is not bound to any keys | shell-kill-word is not bound to any keys | start-kbd-macro can be found on "\C-x(". | tab-insert is not bound to any keys | tilde-expand can be found on "\e&". | transpose-chars can be found on "\C-t". | transpose-words can be found on "\et". | tty-status is not bound to any keys | undo can be found on "\C-x\C-u", "\C-_". | universal-argument is not bound to any keys | unix-filename-rubout is not bound to any keys | unix-line-discard can be found on "\C-u". | unix-word-rubout can be found on "\C-w". | upcase-word can be found on "\eu". | | [...] ==> all vi commands are not bound | | yank can be found on "\C-y". | yank-last-arg can be found on "\e.", "\e_". | yank-nth-arg can be found on "\e\C-y". | yank-pop can be found on "\ey". `---- > Do you have some non-standard TERM or TERMINFO settings? From xterm: echo $TERM ==> xterm echo $TERMINFO ==> nothing > Was your xterm compiled in some different way? Compiled with toolbar truetype unicode [I] x11-terms/xterm Available versions: 250 ~255 {Xaw3d toolbar truetype unicode} Installed versions: 250(08:33:26 12/11/09)(toolbar truetype unicode -Xaw3d) Homepage: http://dickey.his.com/xterm/ Description: Terminal Emulator for X Windows > What OS are you using? Gentoo. > > > > Important settings: > > > > value of $LC_ALL: C > > > > value of $LC_COLLATE: C > > > > value of $LC_CTYPE: fr_FR.UTF-8 > > > > value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil > > > > value of $LC_MONETARY: nil > > > > value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil > > > > value of $LC_TIME: nil > > > > value of $LANG: fr_FR.UTF-8 > > > > value of $XMODIFIERS: nil > > > > locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix > > > > default enable-multibyte-characters: t > > > > > > I don't know much about LANG stuff, but is it OK to have LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 and LC_ALL=C? > > > > It's not a problem, LC_ALL=C is set locally in Emacs with setenv to > > avoid other bug with shell prompts in Emacs, but that's another problem. > > Anyway when set, LC_ALL overhide all other locale setting. > > OTOH LANG set all to it's value but allow setting other variables. > > So in emacs (no emacs -Q), my locale is: > > ,---- > > | LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 > > | LC_CTYPE="C" > > | LC_NUMERIC="C" > > | LC_TIME="C" > > | LC_COLLATE="C" > > | LC_MONETARY="C" > > | LC_MESSAGES="C" > > | LC_PAPER="C" > > | LC_NAME="C" > > | LC_ADDRESS="C" > > | LC_TELEPHONE="C" > > | LC_MEASUREMENT="C" > > | LC_IDENTIFICATION="C" > > | LC_ALL=C > > `---- > > > > But when i start emacs -Q, my locale are all utf-8 > > except LC_COLLATE for US sorting, that' my system settings. > > > > ,---- > > | LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 > > | LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 > > | LC_NUMERIC="fr_FR.UTF-8" > > | LC_TIME="fr_FR.UTF-8" > > | LC_COLLATE=C > > | LC_MONETARY="fr_FR.UTF-8" > > | LC_MESSAGES="fr_FR.UTF-8" > > | LC_PAPER="fr_FR.UTF-8" > > | LC_NAME="fr_FR.UTF-8" > > | LC_ADDRESS="fr_FR.UTF-8" > > | LC_TELEPHONE="fr_FR.UTF-8" > > | LC_MEASUREMENT="fr_FR.UTF-8" > > | LC_IDENTIFICATION="fr_FR.UTF-8" > > | LC_ALL= > > `---- > > > > So when testing emacs -Q -nw in Xterm i have these locales. > > And no .Xdefaults or .Xressources. > > > > > Maybe there's a problem with the way your keyboard is set up? Maybe > > > someone that knows about french keyboards can help... > > So i think my keyboard config is ok. > > > > > > Load-path shadows: > > > > [...] > > > > > > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/smiley hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/smiley > > > > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/score-mode hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/score-mode > > > > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/gnus-start hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/gnus/gnus-start > > > > /home/thierry/elisp/emms/lisp/tq hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/emacs-lisp/tq > > > > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/time-date hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/calendar/time-date > > > > /home/thierry/elisp/ngnus/lisp/parse-time hides /usr/share/emacs/24.0.50/lisp/calendar/parse-time > > > > > > These are no good. Do all these go away if you use emacs -Q -nw ? > > Yes that's ngnus, it is not enabled in emacs -Q. That's remind me to > > disable it and use emacs gnus. > > > > -- > > Thierry Volpiatto > > Gpg key: http://pgp.mit.edu/ > > > > > -- Thierry Volpiatto Gpg key: http://pgp.mit.edu/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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* bug#5785: 24.0.50; Fail to bind C-. in emacs -nw from xterm. [not found] ` <201003291913.o2TJDsJ9003980@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> @ 2010-03-29 19:22 ` Thierry Volpiatto 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Thierry Volpiatto @ 2010-03-29 19:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dan Nicolaescu; +Cc: bug-gnu-emacs Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes: Please file this as a Gentoo bug too, emacs -nw should work by default on xterm. Ok i will, thanks for help. -- Thierry Volpiatto Gpg key: http://pgp.mit.edu/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#5785: 24.0.50; Fail to bind C-. in emacs -nw from xterm. 2010-03-26 18:44 bug#5785: 24.0.50; Fail to bind C-. in emacs -nw from xterm Thierry Volpiatto 2010-03-26 20:17 ` Dan Nicolaescu @ 2019-09-15 15:55 ` Stefan Kangas 2019-10-14 12:27 ` Stefan Kangas 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Stefan Kangas @ 2019-09-15 15:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thierry Volpiatto; +Cc: 5785 Thierry Volpiatto <thierry.volpiatto@gmail.com> writes: > Hi, > I am unable to bind C-. in xterm. > > A) > > 1) I start xterm without my config of .Xdefaults. > 2) In scratch i write and eval: > (global-set-key (kbd "C-.") #'(lambda () (interactive) (message "hello"))) > > 3) When i hit C-. "~" is printed in buffer (*scratch*). > > B) > > If i bind the same key (C-.) in a function that use the minibuffer, > (define-key anything-map (kbd "C-.") 'anything-find-files-down-one-level) > > then, > 27;6;46~ is printed in anything prompt. > > NOTE: > ---- > Also, > Alt doesn't work in emacs without proper Xterm config in .Xdefault: > XTerm*metaSendsEscape: True > > You can verify with simple command (e.g `insert-parentheses' `M-(') This was reported nine years ago. It seems to me that the conclusion from the discussion at the time was that it might have been something wrong in your setup, or some specific issue in xterm on Gentoo, rather than a bug in Emacs. I also can't reproduce this issue here, using Emacs 26.2 and XTerm(344). Can you still reproduce this on a modern version of Emacs? If I don't hear back from you in a couple of weeks, I'll just close this as unreproducible. Best regards, Stefan Kangas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#5785: 24.0.50; Fail to bind C-. in emacs -nw from xterm. 2019-09-15 15:55 ` Stefan Kangas @ 2019-10-14 12:27 ` Stefan Kangas 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Stefan Kangas @ 2019-10-14 12:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thierry Volpiatto; +Cc: 5785-done Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes: > This was reported nine years ago. It seems to me that the conclusion > from the discussion at the time was that it might have been something > wrong in your setup, or some specific issue in xterm on Gentoo, rather > than a bug in Emacs. > > I also can't reproduce this issue here, using Emacs 26.2 and XTerm(344). > > Can you still reproduce this on a modern version of Emacs? If I don't > hear back from you in a couple of weeks, I'll just close this as > unreproducible. No reply within 4 weeks, so I'm closing this bug now. If anyone can still reproduce this, please reopen the bug report. Best regards, Stefan Kangas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2019-10-14 12:27 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 8+ messages (download: mbox.gz follow: Atom feed -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2010-03-26 18:44 bug#5785: 24.0.50; Fail to bind C-. in emacs -nw from xterm Thierry Volpiatto 2010-03-26 20:17 ` Dan Nicolaescu 2010-03-26 23:02 ` Thierry Volpiatto 2010-03-26 23:42 ` Dan Nicolaescu 2010-03-27 6:57 ` Thierry Volpiatto [not found] ` <201003291913.o2TJDsJ9003980@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> 2010-03-29 19:22 ` Thierry Volpiatto 2019-09-15 15:55 ` Stefan Kangas 2019-10-14 12:27 ` Stefan Kangas
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