From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sean Sieger Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:30:10 -0400 Message-ID: <87mxthnea5.fsf@gmail.com> References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com> <87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <2256C17F740A425884AD551DE7758056@us.oracle.com> <87fwzodqqm.fsf@telefonica.net> <5138CDF30B2D4B778F948015614DA7BC@us.oracle.com> <87iq4ijtdy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <270AD461F0F14E549F82D88785A23A0A@us.oracle.com> <876306140d.fsf@telefonica.net> <24CFA9D538E942AEA803109469898525@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279981846 18520 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2010 14:30:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 14:30:46 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 24 16:30:45 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcfkO-0005c7-Dx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2010 16:30:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39699 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcfkI-0003Xj-68 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:30:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=38538 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcfkB-0003Xe-GG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:30:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ocfk9-0003bX-Bl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:30:27 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:49037) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ocfk9-0003bI-5Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:30:25 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ocfk5-0005Ok-HI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2010 16:30:21 +0200 Original-Received: from pool-68-161-33-43.ny325.east.verizon.net ([68.161.33.43]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2010 16:30:21 +0200 Original-Received: from sean.sieger by pool-68-161-33-43.ny325.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2010 16:30:21 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 23 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-68-161-33-43.ny325.east.verizon.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Ih5//ELy6QXqXeQ3tS0fmXJ/Rpc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127747 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: > > We've seen no _evidence_ about a supposed dearth of newbies > > coming to Emacs, in spite of repeated _claims_. No > > Emacs-is-dying problem has been shown, so far. > > Of course it is very hard to show statistics for newbies. > OTOH, absence of proof does not indicate that the fact does > not exists. Can you say "Tooth Fairy"? "Santa Claus"? I won't mention other religious figures. How about this. First, remove cua-mode from the development trunk. Second, make a new branch, say notepademacs-24 and include cua-mode in it. Third, watch that new branch, new developers and new users and new productivity flourish.