From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim X Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Alternatives to Gnus Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 08:37:42 +1000 Organization: Unlimited download news at news.astraweb.com Message-ID: <87mxrzpya1.fsf@puma.rapttech.com.au> References: <049fd34b-8437-477a-bd95-ffbb8b80d787@m1g2000yqo.googlegroups.com> <87zkw1p036.fsf@puma.rapttech.com.au> <87r5hcpj6h.fsf@puma.rapttech.com.au> <495735cf-0d43-44d5-8df0-1f48860d5ee0@e14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291865909 31000 80.91.229.12 (9 Dec 2010 03:38:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 03:38:29 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 09 04:38:25 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQXKp-0002UD-BX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 04:38:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46866 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQXKo-00087q-NJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:38:22 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!news.glorb.com!news.astraweb.com!border2.newsrouter.astraweb.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:GlfYck+TVXQ+NSYwuyaXZEZ8hME= Original-Lines: 55 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 82546238.news.astraweb.com Original-X-Trace: DXC=g<6BhAPfD5MPn_2M35M[hOL?0kYOcDh@Ji=VFiPm?<[E6mV=\knS0nOM`oGmakcnoAoIbgN:=Ieb@ Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:181095 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:76561 Archived-At: Francis Moreau writes: > On Sep 2, 11:51 am, Tim X wrote: >> Francis Moreau writes: >> > On Sep 2, 12:31 am, Tim X wrote: >> >> Francis Moreau writes: >> >> > Could the emacs users give me some alternatives ? >> >> >> I'm not convinced that there are any huge advantages in having the same >> >> program to both read/send/manage email and read/send/manage news. >> >> > Well a common interface: less key bindings, one config file etc... >> >> IMO the common interface is emacs and the common configuration file is >> .emacs >> >> My point re: advantages is that the similarity between news and mail >> is really only surface deep. How I want to manage the messages, the type >> of filtering I do, where things are stored etc are quite different. I've >> found it rare that one program does both well - you tend to either have >> news being forced into a mail type paradigm or mail being forced into a >> news type one. > > Actually I've never found weird to have mail being handled like news, > and that's not what forced me to leave gnus. > >> > Why are you using both of them ? >> >> Because I am on the VM development team. Sometimes, while fixing bugs or >> adding features, my copy of VM may not be stable, but I need to maintain >> a stable environment. > > Does that mean that there's no VM stable release out there ? ;) > No. VM has been around for nearly 20 years. The VM development team work hard to ensure stability in released versions. As with all software, the current head of the development tree is not guaranteed to be as stable as the last released version, though in reality, like the development version of emacs itself, it tends to be very stable. In 15 years of use, I have had two occasions when VM has currupted my mail file. Both of these were due to changes in emacs itself that either caused bugs in VM or revealed a bug that was revealed by changes in emacs. This is normal and is why we only attempt to maintain compatibility with the last few versions of emacs (currently emacs 21 or later and XEmacs 21.2 or later). Of course, if you are someone who is working on enhancements and bug fixes, then the version you are modifying can become unstable, but as we don't check changes into version control until we have at least some confidence the changes are reasonably stable, non-developers don't see this instability. Tim -- tcross (at) rapttech dot com dot au